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Old 10-20-2009, 10:51 AM
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Have you seen what they produced? Threshold for instance!
Mind you, to be fair, even Brannon Braga says that was a terrible idea and episode
Yeah, he also apologized for ENT's finale but many fans still like to blame him for all the things that went wrong in VOY or ENT. If you write on about a hundred episodes for Trek, they can't all be "Think Tank" or "Cogenitor".
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Yeah, he also apologized for ENT's finale but many fans still like to blame him for all the things that went wrong in VOY or ENT. If you write on about a hundred episodes for Trek, they can't all be "Think Tank" or "Cogenitor".
Certainly a fair point, you aren't going to hit a home run everytime you go up to bat.
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Yeah, he also apologized for ENT's finale but many fans still like to blame him for all the things that went wrong in VOY or ENT. If you write on about a hundred episodes for Trek, they can't all be "Think Tank" or "Cogenitor".
Agreed. ENT's finale could have been 1,000 times better, but part of it I am laying at UPN's feet. They turnned it into a rush job when UPN decided to fold as a network.
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Yeah, he also apologized for ENT's finale but many fans still like to blame him for all the things that went wrong in VOY or ENT. If you write on about a hundred episodes for Trek, they can't all be "Think Tank" or "Cogenitor".
That's very true and very fair. We all have a bad day at work every now and then. Luckily only 30 people at a time witness my bad days
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VOY suffered from the simple problem that they had to move on and the only enemy which would believably encompass territories streched out over thousands of lightyears (how did the Kazon, just slightly brighter than Pakleds, ever conquer such large territories ?) are the Borg.
The Vidiians, Hirogen and the Malon (the Vaadwaur should have been used more than once IMO) were interesting but due to the dynamics it was harder to establish conventional enemies like the Dominion, the Borg or the Romulans who threaten to conquer the Federation. The stakes were simply not high enough with just one ship threatened.
Good point. Also, its pretty hard to make a group of desert nomads with the inability to find or make water into the arch-enemy of a 24th century Starship. I think VOYAGER's curse was that it suffered from ineffective villians, like H. Starling. The writers knew it, so they tried to claim TNG's most fearsome baddie for the VOYAGER crew.
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The idea behind the Kazon was interesting and kind of goes to what I was saying before. When Voyager first ended up in the Delta quadrant they were kind of like the big kid on the block. They had the most technology and were more advanced than the races around them, but they were also alone. The threat from the Kazon was like death from a thousand small wounds. They should have explored that further.
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Voyager would have been a bit better if they focused more on what their true enemy was, their isolation. More episodes dealing with basic survival, how do you fix your ship when you are on your own in deep space? Food, energy, things like that. Tension between the two crews, more stuff like that. Should have been a little darker in my opinion.
We have a show like that, it's called BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.
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We have a show like that, it's called BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.
Yes, and it was fantastic.
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The idea behind the Kazon was interesting and kind of goes to what I was saying before. When Voyager first ended up in the Delta quadrant they were kind of like the big kid on the block. They had the most technology and were more advanced than the races around them, but they were also alone. The threat from the Kazon was like death from a thousand small wounds. They should have explored that further.
The idea of a race consisting of different sects would be reused again for the Xindi in ENT.

The Kazon were dropped in VOY because the writers and producers couldn't think of anything more with them at the time, IMO. I recall them once being described as "second-rate Klingons."
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