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Old 10-09-2009, 01:38 PM
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Default Enterprise refit?

I'm confused. I've just watched the first three Star Trek movies, and am wondering: How the hell is this a "refit" of the original Enterprise? I looks inside and out like a completely new ship!
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:40 PM
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I'm confused. I've just watched the first three Star Trek movies, and am wondering: How the hell is this a "refit" of the original Enterprise? I looks inside and out like a completely new ship!

It's basically a total rebuild from top to bottom, but in order to link it to TOS it is described as a 'refit' so technically it is still the ship from TOS.

Even though it clearly has not one deck plate held over.
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:47 PM
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Well, they probably looked at the old ship that they had been told to refit, and thought: ''Nah!''

Then melted it for scrap and used that in their brand spanking new starship!
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:53 PM
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And they've redisigned the whole sickbay too! You know engineers...

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Old 10-09-2009, 07:53 PM
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:41 PM
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I never bought the 'refit' explanation personally. I think it's just for the really hardcore fans.

In my opinion, the cosmetic changes in TMP (not just with the Enterprise, but the entire 23rd century) are retroactive... with each new movie/series representing its author's intepretation of what the Star Trek universe should look and sound like.

STII is the first movie to show us a Starfleet vessel that isn't Constitution class. It's interiors clearly "look older" than the refit Enterprise, either by accident or design. So who's to say that vessel didn't represent Nick Meyer's/Harve Bennett's idea of what the interiors of a pre-refit Enterprise "might" actually have looked like?

Or for that matter, maybe the models/artwork from the aborted "Phase II" TV series represent what the exterior of Enterprise used to look like.

Either way, then the 'refit' becomes more plausible.

It doesn't matter to me. If some people were happy with the refit "explanation" as to why there was no way the movies were going to maintain the production design of TOS, then it's all just as well.

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Old 10-09-2009, 11:57 PM
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Commander Scott to Admiral Kirk: "Admiral, the Enterprise has just finished eighteen months redesigning and refitting. She needs testing, a shakedown..."

Captain Decker to Admiral Kirk: "Admiral, this is an almost totally new enterprise. You don't know her a tenth as well as I do."

I liked the explanation in Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise.
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Old 10-10-2009, 05:57 AM
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I believe that Starfleet doesn't do everything the same way as today's navies do--which I think is a logical conclusion about an organization from a few hundred years into the future. Some things do change over time.

While the slightest change in a existing design may classify a ship as a new design in today's navies, that doesn't seem so for Starfleet. Starfleet apparently designates any change (regardless of how big or small) in a design as either variants or refits of the original design, IMO. Off the top of my head, we've seen refits of the Constitution and Excelsior classes and multiple variants of the Miranda, Ambassador, Nebula, and Galaxy classes.

I think the only canonical exception is the Soyuz-class. Basically its a Miranda-class variant, but it may have been designated a separate design if its mission profile was different from that of the Miranda-class...
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