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Old 10-01-2009, 08:52 AM
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Pike was giving a sales pitch to Kirk in that scene, something to keep in mind about it.
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Pike was giving a sales pitch to Kirk in that scene, something to keep in mind about it.
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Pike is trying to (for the audience, remember, as well as Kirk) succinctly put across the general idea of what Starfleet is.

There's been a variety of words and phrases used over the years which have been used to try and 'define' it and still no-one can really agree on a consistent way of describing because it seems to do pretty much everything that every branch of Government does today but under the single 'Starfleet' term.

It's difficult to define such a broad-based organisation without a clear rubric - the writers may not have chosen the best words but were they the worst? Probably not. We know Starfleet engages in Humanitarian efforts, we know they wage war, thus 'Humanitarian Armada' is not (to me) quite the contradiction it may seem.

The militaristic reboot from TMP to TWOK was considerably more jarring, but as it was also left unexplained in any dialogue (perhaps Marcus' 'Starfleet has kept the peace for over a hundred years' is as close as it gets) it never became a point of order within the film.

It just 'was' the way things were in TWOK.
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Pike is trying to (for the audience, remember, as well as Kirk) succinctly put across the general idea of what Starfleet is.

There's been a variety of words and phrases used over the years which have been used to try and 'define' it and still no-one can really agree on a consistent way of describing because it seems to do pretty much everything that every branch of Government does today but under the single 'Starfleet' term.

It's difficult to define such a broad-based organisation without a clear rubric - the writers may not have chosen the best words but were they the worst? Probably not. We know Starfleet engages in Humanitarian efforts, we know they wage war, thus 'Humanitarian Armada' is not (to me) quite the contradiction it may seem.

The militaristic reboot from TMP to TWOK was considerably more jarring, but as it was also left unexplained in any dialogue (perhaps Marcus' 'Starfleet has kept the peace for over a hundred years' is as close as it gets) it never became a point of order within the film.

It just 'was' the way things were in TWOK.
I allways have seen them as a paramulitary outfit in the 23rd century chartered with exploration and defense of Federation interests.
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Despite the fact that they're not just dealing with humans, the "humanitarian" part of Pike's definition covers aspects like diplomacy and exploration.

Also, in the end, "armada" is just another word for "fleet." It may have some military implications behind it, true. But isn't one of the popular theories that after "the Kelvin incident," the Federation evidently decided to beef itself up in the defense department? Describing Starfleet as an 'armada' might not be too far off in that case.

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Despite the fact that they're not just dealing with humans, the "humanitarian" part of Pike's definition covers aspects like diplomacy and exploration.

Also, in the end, "armada" is just another word for "fleet." It may have some military implications behind it, true. But isn't one of the popular theories that after "the Kelvin incident," the Federation evidently decided to beef itself up in the defense department? Describing Starfleet as an 'armada' might not be too far off in that case.
You nailed it by saying weapons were for defense.
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I think since the Romulan/Earth War had already happened that creating a better defensive/offensive capability and making sure their ships had weapons would be a foregone conclusion anyway, even outwith the Kelvin incident.
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