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Old 10-01-2009, 04:58 AM
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Many moments in the movie felt unnatural and forced to me, e.g. Pike's line about the Federation being a peace-keeping armada or Spock's repetition of his Holmes line from TUC.
Pike's line is in start contrast to the actual gun-ho behaviour of Kirk and Spock at the end of the movie or all the jerks among the cadets. Not to mention McCoy who joins Starfleet because he is economically forced to.

Let's compare this with the Meyer movies who brought some dark and militaristic tones to Trek. Anything bright in there, be it the creation of live and Kirk's optimism at the end of TWOK or Kirk's path from hating Klingons to grabbing the chance for peace in TUC felt natural, it was rooted in the characters and the plot.
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I felt JJ tried to keep elements from TOS in this film, and yes, some of them came accross as forced.

I feel is there is Trek 12, we'll see it have more of a natural flow.

Traditionally frist Trek films and episodes too, have not been "the best of the best."

TMP, GEN, and the Pilot epiosdes for all five series fall into this catagory. They aren't bad, but still finding footing.

That's how I feel about this film overall.
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Traditionally frist Trek films and episodes too, have not been "the best of the best."

TMP, GEN, and the Pilot epiosdes for all five series fall into this catagory. They aren't bad, but still finding footing.

That's how I feel about this film overall.
That's a good way to put it. Although out of all of those, Trek XI comes out as the best of those entries.
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That's a good way to put it. Although out of all of those, Trek XI comes out as the best of those entries.
True. It's not a slight against any of the Pilots or the 2 "first" films.
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Ya, I also thought Bones should come from Sawbones,
not because he had nothing left, weak nickname.
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Ya, I also thought Bones should come from Sawbones,
not because he had nothing left, weak nickname.
Most real life nicknames have less thatn stellar origins.
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Pike's line is in start contrast to the actual gun-ho behaviour of Kirk...
James T. Kirk, not acting like a typical Starfleet officer? Who'da thunk it?
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Seemed like more of a generational thing among the characters to me, Pike is the old seasoned career Starfleet type, very much more in line with Kirk's father and Captain Robau. Career guys with disciplined minds. Kirk is a young brash upstart. It's as much a coming of age story as it is anything else.

What will be interesting is to see where they go with the Kirk character in the sequel, will it take place immediatley after this movie, or will time have passed?

Perhaps, something happens in the sequel that makes Kirk look at himself.
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Many moments in the movie felt unnatural and forced to me, e.g. Pike's line about the Federation being a peace-keeping armada...
For some reason, it's simply impossible for writers to just define Starfleet as a multipurpose space service and leave it at that. I think I did privately groan when I heard that "peacekeeping and humanitarian armada" line from Pike--not only did it reek of political correctness but like you said, it sounded unnatural and forced, more like exposition than actual dialogue...
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For some reason, it's simply impossible for writers to just define Starfleet as a multipurpose space service and leave it at that. I think I did privately groan when I heard that "peacekeeping and humanitarian armada" line from Pike--not only did it reek of political correctness but like you said, it sounded unnatural and forced, more like exposition than actual dialogue...
I think many writers are afraid of "writing themselves into a corner" by defining Starfleet too much.
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