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Old 10-01-2009, 05:39 AM
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Sorry, I have not been clear enough, I only think that the absence of the troika might have made it a bit weaker.
Ah, understood.


There is something to be said about that triumvirate of Ego (Kirk), Super-ego (Spock), and Id (McCoy). I think most audiences were able to easily identify and latch onto those concepts--as the so-called "tripartite man"--with TOS. I think the producers of ENT tried to duplicate that somewhat with Archer, T'Pol, and Tucker, but I don't think it quite worked.

With Star Trek XI, Uhura seemed to step into the role of Id more than McCoy did, IMO...
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:58 AM
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That's a fascinating Freudian view upon the troika, Commodore.
ENT showed that you cannot just copy a formula and that part of the success and popularity of Kirk, Spock and McCoy was due to the chemistry between the actors. As the new actors have shown, that's only a small part, so perhaps it is more precise to say that Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley played the troika in the foreground and thus influenced the writers to write more for them.
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:02 AM
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TNG seemed to work quite fine without Spock...


For the most part, Star Trek: Phase II was as much the precursor to TNG as it was to TMP (Gene Roddenberry--you ain't foolin' nobody!). As already mentioned, Ilia essentially became Troi, but also from the early draft notes of the series, you would have had "Commander Will Decker" (who later became Commander Will Riker), and the "Xon" character would have been pretty much Data--a person without emotions looking to embrace them. Of course, you would have McCoy and Scotty in their familar roles, but Kirk might have been depicted as the more seasoned veteran in comparison to the younger and more ambitious Decker, IMO...
I couldn't agree more. GR just recycled alot of ideas for TNG. Also the TNG episodes "The Child" and "Devil's Due" were recycled Phase II scripts.

But I disagree on Data, Dats is Questor from The Questor Tapes.
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I couldn't agree more. GR just recycled alot of ideas for TNG. Also the TNG episodes "The Child" and "Devil's Due" were recycled Phase II scripts.

But I disagree on Data, Dats is Questor from The Questor Tapes.
I'd really like to see The Questor Tapes!
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I'd really like to see The Questor Tapes!
It's a bit dated technology wise. But it is probably the best GR thing outside of Trek easily.
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It's a bit dated technology wise. But it is probably the best GR thing outside of Trek easily.
Is it actually available anywhere? I've only seen maybe a few images from it.
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:29 AM
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Is it actually available anywhere? I've only seen maybe a few images from it.
Been looking for it for 20 years. I do know it got a VHS release in Canada back in the early-mid 1980's. I also know that from time to time on Ebay they offer DVD-R's of old home recorded ones from decades past (Quailty of them is very questionable.)

I had allways hoped that SyFy, or nayone would rerun it!
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Phase II could have been fun. Seventies storytelling wasn't quite so nuanced as it is today and even TNG took a couple of seasons to produce more than just a few really good episodes per season. I think the supporting cast would have been given slightly larger roles, and Kirk might have become a recurring guest star (like O'Neil in Stargate SG1) as Decker took over full time in season 2, with the new triumvirate consisting of Decker, Xon, and Ilia. Thing I liked about it most was the return of Rand! I'm looking forward to seeing TMP era Phase II stories if they really do get that far. I'd also be in favour of them producing an animated show of the second 5-year mission.
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Phase II could have been fun. Seventies storytelling wasn't quite so nuanced as it is today and even TNG took a couple of seasons to produce more than just a few really good episodes per season. I think the supporting cast would have been given slightly larger roles, and Kirk might have become a recurring guest star (like O'Neil in Stargate SG1) as Decker took over full time in season 2, with the new triumvirate consisting of Decker, Xon, and Ilia. Thing I liked about it most was the return of Rand! I'm looking forward to seeing TMP era Phase II stories if they really do get that far. I'd also be in favour of them producing an animated show of the second 5-year mission.
Shatner would have never gone for that.
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Heh - I think it had something to do with the budget. Apparently he'd only signed for 13 episodes. He might have drifted off and then moaned about how the show wasn't really Star Trek without Kirk!
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