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Old 09-29-2009, 06:05 PM
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While this opening sounds very cool, I think the one they went with was the best choice.
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Exactly. Romulus is destroyed, Spock is born and then... the Kelvin.
Seems like the alternately-proposed intro is way too overblown. The Kelvin sequence had such a visual and emotional impact for longtime fans and new viewers because it was the cold open, pushed right up against the studio cards at the beginning of the film.

If you blow your special effects wad on Romulus being destroyed from ground level you've already diminished the appearance of the first "new" Trek ship in a long time and a pivital sequence that sets the stage for the rest of the film. I love how the camera panning and flip, combined with the sound work, created this immediate feeling of disorientation and wonder. It was the start of the entire film's visual task of making space seem dangerous and vast again after we've been treated to 20 years of TNG: Cruise Ship to the Stars galactic exploration.

I guess I would be the cinematographer and you guys would be doing script rewrites if we all worked in Hollywood.
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While Paramount might have been willing to let that happen in a trailer, I cannot imagine they'd let it be the actual opening of a movie...

Of the top of my head I can't think of a movie that started with a corruption of the corporate logo....
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Seems like the alternately-proposed intro is way too overblown. The Kelvin sequence had such a visual and emotional impact for longtime fans and new viewers because it was the cold open, pushed right up against the studio cards at the beginning of the film.

If you blow your special effects wad on Romulus being destroyed from ground level you've already diminished the appearance of the first "new" Trek ship in a long time and a pivital sequence that sets the stage for the rest of the film. I love how the camera panning and flip, combined with the sound work, created this immediate feeling of disorientation and wonder. It was the start of the entire film's visual task of making space seem dangerous and vast again after we've been treated to 20 years of TNG: Cruise Ship to the Stars galactic exploration.

I guess I would be the cinematographer and you guys would be doing script rewrites if we all worked in Hollywood.
Yeah, I kinda go with this approach. Both would have a great visual impact, but the Romulus scene would clue viewers in too early about what was actually going on regarding Nero.

Therefore putting it at the start disadvantages the sense of mystery over who he was they were trying to build.

And, quite correctly, what the Kelvin opening gave us was a fantastic and instant reminder that Space is supposed to be vast and dangerous.

Seeing the Kelvin in huge close up and then suddenly made tiny next to the Narada was a great visual depiction of that.
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Yeah, I kinda go with this approach. Both would have a great visual impact, but the Romulus scene would clue viewers in too early about what was actually going on regarding Nero.
Those who read STC or saw the TV ads already knew
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Those who read STC or saw the TV ads already knew
Yes, but it doesn't mean that you automatically must give your explanation away in the first minutes of the film for all those that didn't.
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How is an exploding mountain an explanation?
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Yes, but it doesn't mean that you automatically must give your explanation away in the first minutes of the film for all those that didn't.
I'm really glad Paramount didn't use THIS trailer!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqoX92HKfug
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How is an exploding mountain an explanation?
Mountain explodes, Romulus explodes, Narada chases Jellyfish, both get drawn into black hole ... and then the actual beginning of the movie, Kelvin meets Narada.
So even without any dialogue that would explain what kind of planet just exploded and who these guys who chase each other are, a large fraction of mystery concerning the Narada and Nero would have been gone. This "Columbo effect", the audience knowing more than the characters, would have weakened the Kelvin sequence which was partly so strong because we were shocked by the arrival of this mysterious ship just like the crew of the Kelvin.
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Yeah, the mystery begins with this ship coming from nowhere - if you have a clue where it comes from in the first place and whose involved, it removes some of the questions the film is trying to set up.
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