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Old 09-14-2009, 09:04 AM
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For those who have read the brilliant 1994 novel by Judy and Gar Reeves-Stevens, do you think that it was a better portrayal of Zefram Cochrane than what we got in the movie First Contact?

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Old 10-23-2009, 01:36 AM
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I think it was a lot closer to the TOS version of ZC than the FC version.

Awesome story, too.
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Everything Judy and Gar Reeves-Stevens does is good, they even made Shatner's novel tolerable. Sure it wasn't an easy feat.
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I will confess to not having read it - but the synopsis does not sound that great. Yet again someone wants to control/destroy the whole Galaxy.

How many Trek novels have had that?

I would have to veer in the direction of FC's version (especially in it's quirky twist that heroes/icons are often fashioned in the memory of those who come after them, not by the people themselves) of Cochrane.

But.....I mean, I have to say it so forgive me but.....Black holes and weird time effects as a result?

Where have I seen supposedly oddly behaving Black Holes recently?
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I will confess to not having read it - but the synopsis does not sound that great. Yet again someone wants to control/destroy the whole Galaxy.

How many Trek novels have had that?

I would have to veer in the direction of FC's version (especially in it's quirky twist that heroes/icons are often fashioned in the memory of those who come after them, not by the people themselves) of Cochrane.

But.....I mean, I have to say it so forgive me but.....Black holes and weird time effects as a result?

Where have I seen supposedly oddly behaving Black Holes recently?
In all fariness, you'll have to read the book to be able to comment fairly on it. There's so much that a simple synopsis can't portray. For example, the evil guy who wants to take over the entire galaxy, Colonel Adrik Thoresen is a remnant of the post-atomic horror obsessed with his own ideological vision of the future and a weapon that can't exist in science and believes that Cochrane is the only person who can provide the information.

The black-hole time effect thingy actually explores what happens when you travel past the event horizon, and who is to say what does or doesn't happen at that point?

In any case, Federation was written even before Generations came out, and at the time thought it would have made a great movie , symbolising a franchise handover from one crew to another. They just needed to shift Kirk's time frame from during the original mission to after events in STVI.
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In all fariness, you'll have to read the book to be able to comment fairly on it. There's so much that a simple synopsis can't portray. For example, the evil guy who wants to take over the entire galaxy is actually Colonel Adrik Thoresen, a remnant of the post-atomic horror obsessed with his own ideological vision of the future, and a weapon that can't exist in science.

The black-hole time effect thingy actually explores what happens when you travel past the event horizon, and who is to say what does or doesn't happen at that point?

In any case, Federation was written even before Generations came out, and at the time thought it would have made a great movie , symbolising a franchise handover from one crew to another. They just needed to shift Kirk's time frame from during the original mission to after events in STVI.
Absolutely true, but then if the synopis fails to appeal........
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Absolutely true, but then if the synopis fails to appeal........
....then it needs re-writing or editing, as is mentioned at the top of the webpage!
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....then it needs re-writing or editing, as is mentioned at the top of the webpage!
Lol!!

Maybe you could help out and do that. It seems you have a pretty solid grip on the details of the novel. You could flesh it out.
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Didn't they let Cochrane say something about "that damn Cromwell!"?
Funny, because Cromwell played Cochrane later
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I will confess to not having read it - but the synopsis does not sound that great. Yet again someone wants to control/destroy the whole Galaxy.

How many Trek novels have had that?

I would have to veer in the direction of FC's version (especially in it's quirky twist that heroes/icons are often fashioned in the memory of those who come after them, not by the people themselves) of Cochrane.

But.....I mean, I have to say it so forgive me but.....Black holes and weird time effects as a result?

Where have I seen supposedly oddly behaving Black Holes recently?
You really must read it. I think that actually sitting down to experience the whole thing would change your opinion. I don't know anyone who didn't like the book TBH.
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