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Old 08-24-2009, 10:40 AM
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The actor played calmly which was appropriate for the character IMO. By the way, admirals always make the best enemies for Picard, Dougherty, Satie and last but not least Nechayev.
There's something about his voice...He's also in the Matrix sequels where he plays it almost exactly the same (only he's not a bad guy).
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The actor played calmly which was appropriate for the character IMO. By the way, admirals always make the best enemies for Picard: Dougherty, Satie and last but not least Nechayev.
They appear a surprisingly corrupt and self-serving bunch!
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I think he was with 31.
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I disagree. Throughout all off TNG, the helm did not seem like a very demanding bridge position (Geordi, Wesley, all those ensigns). Unlike in the other series which featured Sulu, Paris and Mayweather, piloting never seemed like a specialty but rather like something every officer aboard could do.
Troi just fits in there, a basic Academy course suffices to pilot the ship, and GEN showed that this comes in handy in emergencies.
Agreed. Except in rare occurences in which manual control is needed, a starship basically flies itself with the helm officer only there to plot courses, calculate arrival times, and make sure that manual control isn't needed. After the damage the Enterprise-D took in Generations, the helm went offline, so it didn't matter who was sitting in the conn position because the saucer was going to crash anyway.
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The plot of STXI also resembles a typical goofy TOS episode. The search for god is perhaps not as good as e.g. accidentally meeting Greek gods like in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" but I consider the idea still to be fine.
I call it "The Meeting Superior Life-form Syndrome." It's perfectly okay to meet civilizations that are equal or less advanced than the Federation, but when we inevitably meet those who are more advanced, well...

The only thing that makes Q a likeable god is that he has a sense of humor and doesn't take things (including himself) that seriously. Ditto to some degree with the overly playful Trelane.
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I know that I am probably the only living Trekkie who loves INS, but the Sona and Baku were interesting IMO. It was a typical Shakespearean pattern, a private conflict among a small people gets interwoven with a larger political conflict. I could not care less about superficialities like the Sona makeup.
No, you're not alone. Insurrection is my favorite of the TNG movies. The Son'a might not have been Klingons or the Borg, but I thought they were a particularly vile adversary nonetheless. They also join the list of adversaries (like the Gorn, for example) that an understanding was reached with in the end...
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Oooh, speaking of the TNG films, I thought of another point. Picard MUST have a hand-to-hand showdown with the enemies at the end of the film. It's such a TNG film trope... And to think that in Wrath of Khan, Kirk was originally going to have a hand-to-hand combat finale with Roberto that was cut for budgetary reasons. Thank god!
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That's true. Picard and Riker essentially traded places during the TNG movies with Picard leading the away teams and Riker staying behind on the bridge. Of the four TNG films, three featured Picard running off Rambo-style somewhere with a phaser rifle, but all four featured Picard duking it out with the principle bad guy away from the Enterprise...

What happened to the stately Picard who delegated authority from the bridge during the TV series? A sudden case of mid-life crisis?
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Possibly - I think it's acknowledged Patrick Stewart wanted in on the action a little bit, certainly in the TV series back around it's mid run.

Possibly he sought the same thing out in the films.

Funny how Picard's endings to FC and Insurrection are very similar - jumping around machinery, in that Die Hard vest, swinging from here to there!!
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I also think that Picard's role changed due to Stewart's demands and the reduced screentime of Frakes's Riker.
But his action part got worse from movie to movie. In GEN it was pretty normal, the heat on the ship and his desire for revenge explained his outfit and behaviour in FC, the leather jacket and tight shirt in INS already felt a bit weird and the buggy-driving in NEM speaks for itself.
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Well they say as we get older - we become more like kids!!
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