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Old 03-25-2008, 11:18 AM
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Perhaps.
Then it was worth while to reveal the lack of logic on your part. Thus I'm well equiped to identify and discriminate your objectives from the thread topics in the future.
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:22 AM
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Then it was worth while to reveal the lack of logic on your part. Thus I'm well equiped to identify and discriminate your objectives from the thread topics in the future.
"Lack of logic"? How DARE you! I have never been more insulted! ROFL!

No, but seriously, what?
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You know, I didn't like Enterprise that much when it was first broadcast, either. Don't get me wrong, just as with every previous series I watched each and every episode (Voyager gave me far more trouble than Enterprise's first 2 seasons did at their worst, lol). I found Season 3 somewhat better, but still not at all what I was really used to as far as Trek is usually concerned. It had some stellar episodes, though... North Star and Carpenter Street were particular favourites of mine.

I should note, though, that even upon my first run through Season 4, I believed then (as I still do now) that it's possibly the best years worth of consecutive Star Trek stories I'd seen since sometime during TNG's run. It's a pity they finally delivered on the full promise of Enterprise's concept so late, but it really was a spectacular ending... not counting the final episode, of course, lol... I was forced to reauthor the final disc of Season 4 in CloneDVD and remove "These Are the Voyages" so nobody would play it accidentally and be traumatized by Riker's holographic gut (what other explanation could there be?). Of all the Enterprise-D's many holodeck malfunctions, that had to be the most disturbing. I'd rather sit through one of the Doctor's holophotography slideshows.

Now, that said, I've recently been re-watching Enterprise in the last couple months from DVD. And I'm not sure what happened between now and my first viewing when it broadcast, but somehow it grew on me a great deal in that time. Yeah, the stories aren't exactly always traditional Trek and a lot of it doesn't easily mesh with previously established canon... however the production values are quite remarkable, the effects were very impressive, and even the more generic of its episodes are quite fun to watch if you can ignore the canon issues.

Also, and I noticed this quite early on in my second sitting of the show, the actors took a great deal less time to refine their portrayal of the characters than previous casts have. That feeling of initial awkwardness left the Enterprise crew much earlier than any of the 24th-C series. And on top of that, the characters were all quite likeable. I imagine because it was set so early in history, it's much easier to relate to those people than the later crews; who are much more settled into their Utopian world and standards. I don't recall the crew of the Ent-D having movie nights, nor the male crewmembers so excited at the prospect of finding some alien woman to "socialize" with (and the expected embarassingly amusing situations these urges result in). And let's face it, if humanity achieved faster-than-light travel tomorrow and we discovered a densely populated interstellar community, what would be one of the first things humans would think about upon meeting potentially exotic and attractive aliens?

And finally, Porthos was adorable... much cuter than Picard's silly fish.
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:57 PM
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Well you make some points I agree with .
If I liked the characters I would have to agree they did take a shorter time to iron out there attitudes...

But I look at Next Gen and the only people who were not set after the first season was Crusher and wesley and Troi

Geordi really just played himself and he was a joy to watch
Picard's attitude is the one that changed the least but ultimately did change
Riker pretty much played himself...same smile...same chagrin
Troi had some problems like Bev but they iron out...
Data was exactly the same from begining to end
Worf also was set to go from the begining.
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:43 AM
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"Lack of logic"? How DARE you! I have never been more insulted! ROFL!

No, but seriously, what?
Now now Damage, just set your Phaser on MUTE, not KILL BILL...
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I was forced to reauthor the final disc of Season 4 in CloneDVD and remove "These Are the Voyages" so nobody would play it accidentally and be traumatized by Riker's holographic gut
Pretty clever!

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Now, that said, I've recently been re-watching Enterprise in the last couple months from DVD. And I'm not sure what happened between now and my first viewing when it broadcast, but somehow it grew on me a great deal in that time. Yeah, the stories aren't exactly always traditional Trek and a lot of it doesn't easily mesh with previously established canon... however the production values are quite remarkable, the effects were very impressive, and even the more generic of its episodes are quite fun to watch if you can ignore the canon issues.
I think that goes for almost every series. The more you watch it, the more you become attached.

And ALL of the series had their issues with canon (most notably TOS & TNG), but I suppose ENT's were picked on more so because it was a prequel (GOD FORBID!!!). Moving Trek forward was easy. Trying to do a prequel is almost impossible, as everyone had their own idea of what happened. A lot of this came from books set before TOS's time that put a preconception of "canon" into our heads.


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Also, and I noticed this quite early on in my second sitting of the show, the actors took a great deal less time to refine their portrayal of the characters than previous casts have. That feeling of initial awkwardness left the Enterprise crew much earlier than any of the 24th-C series. And on top of that, the characters were all quite likeable. I imagine because it was set so early in history, it's much easier to relate to those people than the later crews; who are much more settled into their Utopian world and standards.
It did seem as if they were pretty well established characters, like they had been playing them for years and we just caught them for the first time in "Broken Bow".

I find myself relating to this crew more for that exact reason. They seem more like "us", as we are closer in time. Good choice of words with "Utopia"!

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But I look at Next Gen and the only people who were not set after the first season was Crusher and wesley and Troi

Geordi really just played himself and he was a joy to watch
Picard's attitude is the one that changed the least but ultimately did change
Riker pretty much played himself...same smile...same chagrin
Troi had some problems like Bev but they iron out...
Data was exactly the same from begining to end
Worf also was set to go from the begining.
By "not set", do you mean the role of their characters?

Try watching Season 1, then jump right to Season 7 (I can watch every episode in my head I've seen them all so many times!). I think you'll notice that all of the characters grew and changed considerably over the years.

I do agree with you on Data, but only in the sense that we couldn't see his character change on the outside do to his lack of emotions (and I'm refering to the series as a whole, not the few episodes where he was able to show emotion).

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Now now Damage, just set your Phaser on MUTE, not KILL BILL...
Lol...but MUTE is no fun...
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Lol...but MUTE is no fun...
Yeah, but there's the "Nuter" setting too!
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Where to start... I like Archer (quantum leap fan!), Travis & the doggie. I'm afraid every other character was really bland to me, especially T'pol (yes I realise she was Vulcan, but any other one from any TNG, DS9 episode, or Spock seemed more 'real' to me). The fruity aliens didn't seem right either, so I ended up dropping it late Season1.
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Pretty clever!



I think that goes for almost every series. The more you watch it, the more you become attached.

And ALL of the series had their issues with canon (most notably TOS & TNG), but I suppose ENT's were picked on more so because it was a prequel (GOD FORBID!!!). Moving Trek forward was easy. Trying to do a prequel is almost impossible, as everyone had their own idea of what happened. A lot of this came from books set before TOS's time that put a preconception of "canon" into our heads.




It did seem as if they were pretty well established characters, like they had been playing them for years and we just caught them for the first time in "Broken Bow".

I find myself relating to this crew more for that exact reason. They seem more like "us", as we are closer in time. Good choice of words with "Utopia"!



By "not set", do you mean the role of their characters?

Try watching Season 1, then jump right to Season 7 (I can watch every episode in my head I've seen them all so many times!). I think you'll notice that all of the characters grew and changed considerably over the years.

I do agree with you on Data, but only in the sense that we couldn't see his character change on the outside do to his lack of emotions (and I'm refering to the series as a whole, not the few episodes where he was able to show emotion).



Lol...but MUTE is no fun...
I guess I'm refering to the personalities of the charaters as "not set" in the begining.
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