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View Poll Results: Favorite Terminator Film?
The Terminator (1984) 6 37.50%
Judgment Day (1991) 9 56.25%
Rise of the Machines (2003) 1 6.25%
Salvation (2009) 0 0%
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:02 AM
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It was unfortunate that Cameron went with his business head instead of artistic one with that ending.

Based on how I've always understood the franchise Cameron's theme (or one of them) was that 'The Future is not Set' and that mankind could change itself and ultimately avert Judgement Day from happening.

But T3 and T4 reject that and go with the theory that it at best can only be delayed and is inevitable.

Maybe those better versed in the understanding of time loops would say that the latter makes more sense, but to me it undermines what I felt Cameron was trying to suggest with T1 and T2.
Well it's unfortunate Cameron lost the rights to Terminator to Linda Hamilton in the divorce because I'm sure he could have made a good sequel to T2. The original ending of T2 does sum up the theme you are talking about and is a great positive message and warning at the same time though the Terminator timeline is interesting because it is a paradox. If the Terminator doesn't go back in time to kill Sarah, Reese doesn't go back to protect her and then John is never born. Also the Terminator itself is reverse engineered from the original Terminators CPU and arm that are crushed in the hydraulic press at the end of T1.
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:27 AM
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And the only way to fix all that paradox stuff is to say that judgment day wasnt stopped, only delayed.
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:32 AM
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And the only way to fix all that paradox stuff is to say that judgment day wasnt stopped, only delayed.
I sometimes wonder if the whole thing isn't basically 'Cause and Effect' and these events just go round and round and round.

But I'd take the optimism of T1 and T2 over the last two films anyday!
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I sometimes wonder if the whole thing isn't basically 'Cause and Effect' and these events just go round and round and round.

But I'd take the optimism of T1 and T2 over the last two films anyday!
As Spock said, the universe fixes itself and gets back on track.
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Well it's unfortunate Cameron lost the rights to Terminator to Linda Hamilton in the divorce because I'm sure he could have made a good sequel to T2. The original ending of T2 does sum up the theme you are talking about and is a great positive message and warning at the same time though the Terminator timeline is interesting because it is a paradox. If the Terminator doesn't go back in time to kill Sarah, Reese doesn't go back to protect her and then John is never born. Also the Terminator itself is reverse engineered from the original Terminators CPU and arm that are crushed in the hydraulic press at the end of T1.
It's not a paradox if you don't think about it.

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