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Old 07-28-2009, 09:12 PM
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I was just reading about the Swedish monarch ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_XVI_Gustaf_of_Sweden ) and thinking about the fact that so many European countries still have monarchies. This includes Great Britain, a country that, after the current monarch, will have a King.

A few questions:

For decades, the British have had a Queen as their head of state. Will things change culturally when there is a British King again? With the exception of Charles, the current heirs seem to be pretty modern.

Also, could monarchies, and specifically modern kings, be cool these days?

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Old 07-28-2009, 10:03 PM
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There have been some kings in the past who's names have been mentioned in a positive light by history and/or by their subjects. Usually they're the kings who are benevolent to their people and who stay out of the path of the public's progress and industry. Some went away to war, some just went away.

Some of these are:
Coel Hen, ancient king of the Britons (Old King Cole)
Alfred The Great
Edward The Confessor
Richard II (The Lionhearted)
Henry V
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:45 AM
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I was just reading about the Swedish monarch ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_XVI_Gustaf_of_Sweden ) and thinking about the fact that so many European countries still have monarchies. This includes Great Britain, a country that, after the current monarch, will have a King.

A few questions:

For decades, the British have had a Queen as their head of state. Will things change culturally when there is a British King again? With the exception of Charles, the current heirs seem to be pretty modern.

Also, could monarchies, and specifically modern kings, be cool these days?
They are redundant, not cool. But neither Sweden nor GB is anything else but a well-functioning democracy.
The monarchs, besides providing stories for tabloid readers, basically perform representative tasks.

By the way, Sweden or rather Scandinavian social democracy in general is very successful in many ways.
You US folks might learn a thing or two if you take a look at how they run their health care system, how they haved managed temporary bank nationailzation in the 90s or how they run their economy in general.
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They are redundant, not cool. But neither Sweden nor GB is anything else but a well-functioning democracy.
The monarchs, besides providing stories for tabloid readers, basically perform representative tasks.

By the way, Sweden or rather Scandinavian social democracy in general is very successful in many ways.
You US folks might learn a thing or two if you take a look at how they run their health care system, how they haved managed temporary bank nationailzation in the 90s or how they run their economy in general.
Most of us Americans don't give a rat's *** how Europeans think we should do things. And I'm not talking about the "utopian" "hope and change" "social justice" Americans who hang out on a silly little Star Trek forum. I'm talking about Americans who understand why and how this country was founded, and why it will endure. I'm talking about reality.
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I like this idea better!
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Most of us Americans don't give a rat's *** how Europeans think we should do things. And I'm not talking about the "utopian" "hope and change" "social justice" Americans who hang out on a silly little Star Trek forum. I'm talking about Americans who understand why and how this country was founded, and why it will endure. I'm talking about reality.
If you think that the bad bank idea of the current administration, giving banks "money for nothing" will fix the problem, that's your prerogative.
How you run your country is of course your decision, I only think that learning from history ain't a bad thing. If you know someone who already had the problem XYZ you face right now, you will most likely ask him or her how he dealt with it.

The lessons one could learn from Scandinavia have nothing to do with utopia, but how to manage certain economic problems very well and design your economy such that you get a decent mixture of GDP growth, small income inequality, high life expectancy and general well-being of the population. If such indicators are not well suited to evaluate a certain economic design, I don't know which other are supposed to do it.

But not "giving a rat's a*s is perhaps the very attitude which brought the US into the general economic and political mess. We do things a little bit different at the other side of the big ocean, we do give a damn when childeren suffer from a lack of health care, we do give a damn when soldiers and civilians die unnecessarily, we do give a damn when the financial industry is largely overblown, we do give a damn when people in our administration violate the constitution.

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I like this idea better!
TY, I would be a good ruler.
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Most of us Americans don't give a rat's *** how Europeans think we should do things. And I'm not talking about the "utopian" "hope and change" "social justice" Americans who hang out on a silly little Star Trek forum. I'm talking about Americans who understand why and how this country was founded, and why it will endure. I'm talking about reality.
I'll never know why Europeans think Americans are arrogant. After all, we are so considerate of what they think of us.



Seriously, though, I do not understand why we cannot learn from each other. America is a very young country, and it has benefited from the language and culture of European, among other, cultures. After all, our language is European in origin, as is our system of common law.

While it is true that some Europeans can seem dismissive of America as an upstart, I think that the majority admire America for its many dynamic properties. However, we do ourselves no favors when we get up on our high horse for the millionth time and lecture others about freedom and prosperity. There comes a point when, regardless of how great freedom and prosperity really are, others get stuffed to gills with this kind of talk and start becoming defensive.

Just my humble opinion, in this "silly little" Star Trek Forum.

One more thing: If the reason for "prosperity" is that we don't care much for others, then I think we could do with a little less of this "prosperity" in favor of what we are also supposed to hold up as ideals rooted in ethics and religious belief: Compassion and helpfulness to others. "Freedom" is not a good excuse for endless self-seeking.

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