The Official Star Trek Movie Forum

The Official Star Trek Movie Forum > Star Trek > Off Topic Discussions > Unexpected cancer breakthrough...
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 07-07-2009, 12:58 PM
NCC-73515's Avatar
NCC-73515 NCC-73515 is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
Posts: 7,225
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcatjosh View Post
its not over yet. It may work on mice, but humans and mice are 2 totally different spicies.
Mammals are quite similar to other mammals.
__________________


"English! I thought I dreamed hearing it!"?
Khan, Space Seed (TOS)

Brought to you in living color by NCC.
-= first fan member =-

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-07-2009, 01:15 PM
FanWriter45's Avatar
FanWriter45 FanWriter45 is offline
Vice Admiral
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Conway, Arkansas. It's a nice little town with three Universities in it, and surrounded by woods.
Posts: 3,051
Default

Especially in "cancer mice" which are engineered to have a genetic similarity to humans... remember the photos of the mouse with a human ear growing out of it's back?
__________________
Number Two: Conform, Number Six! Conform!

Number Six: I will not be stamped, filed, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! I am a person.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-07-2009, 02:06 PM
Saquist's Avatar
Saquist Saquist is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 11,257
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NCC-73515 View Post
Mammals are quite similar to other mammals.

Not similar enough.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-07-2009, 02:09 PM
Botany Bay's Avatar
Botany Bay Botany Bay is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Berlin
Posts: 2,112
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
Not similar enough.
Mice are simmilar enough to have been used as test objects in the past. Why are they not simmilar enough now, out of a sudden? Whats the point? We will see how the whole thing develops in the next ten years or so.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Saquist's Avatar
Saquist Saquist is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 11,257
Default

Preliminary Experiments: That's about it though.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-07-2009, 08:22 PM
Elizadolots's Avatar
Elizadolots Elizadolots is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,466
Default

Lab mice, though, are genetically engineered to be as close to humans in physical reactions as possible and to be as genetically consistent as possible...if the treatment is not harmful to them, it stands a fine chance of not being harmful to humans.

It's a radical concept, but then, when we remember that AIDS is in fact caused by a virus that affects the immune system and many (possibly most) cancers have a "viral" component....it's not so far fetched.
__________________


Thanks to Ron Salon for the signature banner!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-08-2009, 05:51 AM
tomcatjosh's Avatar
tomcatjosh tomcatjosh is offline
Vice Admiral
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 3,803
Default

This reminds me of a movie called I am legend. Ever seen it? VERY SAME CONCEPT! Man Oh Man.

Heres what i got: Everuyone= excited. Using an alternated virus to kill cancer.

Humans= Some morph into weird stuff ( Or Die) Others are immune. Almost the whole poopulation is wiped out.
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-08-2009, 06:26 AM
Saquist's Avatar
Saquist Saquist is offline
Fleet Admiral
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 11,257
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elizadolots View Post
Lab mice, though, are genetically engineered to be as close to humans in physical reactions as possible and to be as genetically consistent as possible...if the treatment is not harmful to them, it stands a fine chance of not being harmful to humans.

It's a radical concept, but then, when we remember that AIDS is in fact caused by a virus that affects the immune system and many (possibly most) cancers have a "viral" component....it's not so far fetched.
It's the acceptable form of life to experiment on.
Genetically engineered or not the issue here is ethics and that is why rats and mice are used not because they are particular close otherwise they wouldn't have to geneticly alter them to acceptable. Those factors are still unknown we don't understand gene's completely so to say what will work and what won't is like focasting chances for rain in localized area.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-08-2009, 06:34 AM
tomcatjosh's Avatar
tomcatjosh tomcatjosh is offline
Vice Admiral
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 3,803
Default

You never know. That virus could end up killing you faster then the cancer itself. Plus, I wouldn't put my life on the line because some mouse survived treatment.
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-08-2009, 07:02 AM
TheTrekkie's Avatar
TheTrekkie TheTrekkie is offline
Commander
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Posts: 1,030
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcatjosh View Post
You never know. That virus could end up killing you faster then the cancer itself. Plus, I wouldn't put my life on the line because some mouse survived treatment.
When u have a deadly cancer you will probably die from cancer and not from AIDS, modern medicaments can delay the time between your infection with HIV and AIDS actually appears and you are dieing for decades.


@Saquist

Of course mice are just the first step.
The average time span between first experiments and a marketable therapy/medicine resp. often is a decade.
__________________
And if tyrants take me, And throw me in prison, My thoughts will burst free, Like blossoms in season.
Foundations will crumble, The structure will tumble, And free men will cry:
Thoughts are free!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:57 AM.


Forum theme courtesy of Mark Lambert
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2009 by Paramount Pictures. STAR TREK and all related
marks and logos are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. All Rights Reserved.