[kevin]

Sorry Q, my mistake. I know a certain thread I keep track of about the films performance isn't to everyone's liking. I've amended my previous post accordingly.

I don't think you're wrong about Star Trek being generally smarter. In an overall way, yes it is. I think it comes back to my case-by-case approach. I admit to treating the films a bit differently to the TV shows.

If I want the kind of Star Trek you talk about, I tend to go to the TV series, not the films. They are all mostly trying to be broad appeal blockbusters, and a lot of the essential ideas of Trek don't, for me, work in a 2 hour film. They need a TV show to really be explored properly.

I just want the films to entertain on that level, and be fun. To which, I cannot in all honesty, complain the new film wasn't.

On that level, Star Trek and Transformers 2 both worked for me. I'd give them both a solid rating, but the reasons why would be different.

[Vincent Cain]

If anything, I found the second TF film more like the original G1 series than the first film; doomsday device of the week, Starscream being Megatron's *****, Prime dying.....again. Silly and crude humour, over the top characterizations.....yeah...yeah this does remind me an awful lot of the old series....boy did my gf and I do a double take when Bumblebee ripped Ravage's spine out though....heh.

[DammitJim]

Originally Posted by Vincent Cain

If anything, I found the second TF film more like the original G1 series than the first film; doomsday device of the week, Starscream being Megatron's *****, Prime dying.....again. Silly and crude humour, over the top characterizations.....yeah...yeah this does remind me an awful lot of the old series....boy did my gf and I do a double take when Bumblebee ripped Ravage's spine out though....heh.

where was the "crude" humour in the cartoon?

the problem with the movie was it had nowhere near enough time given to the machines, so I don't see how it was like the cartoon.

[spokthecool]

to me it was ok but i hated the language they were bad it was like the into to bruno

[Vincent Cain]

Originally Posted by DammitJim

where was the "crude" humour in the cartoon?

the problem with the movie was it had nowhere near enough time given to the machines, so I don't see how it was like the cartoon.

I guess I find Spike getting into a snowball fight with the Autobots crude.
At the least, silly.
And don't even get me started on "The Girl Who Loved Powerglide"....or any season three episode focusing on Grimlock....or, worse yet, Grimlock getting kissed on the snout by Wreck-Gar, or anything having to do with Wheelie, Blurr, or that little bastard Daniel.
Or when Seaspray turned into a "mer-man".....and had a heart to heart regarding relationships with Bumblebee that struck me as really, really creepy.
And as for the robots' screen time, they had much, much more in this film than the previous.
The only time where the film really drug on for me was humans pittering about the globe....that could have been shortened indefinitely.