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Old 07-01-2009, 04:00 PM
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We know what protomatter looks like. We see in Voyager: Mortal Coil.
"Red Matter" isn't a scientific discripter.
They essentially took Dark Matter which describes the lack of understanding of non luminous matter in the universe and decided to call it Red and make it red for no reason at all.

It's the perfect example of why the film was nowhere near serious science fiction. They might have just as well have called it a berillium sphere, that at least would have been a propper name.

They went to such trouble to avoid techobable they made baby-bable.





None of this movie hinges on this point.
The Plot of The Motion Picture is to stop an alien invader from destroying the planet. (Save the Planet). How far away Voyager VI got and dropping into a blackhole has nothing to do with that goal.

On the Other hand a Blackhole was completely related and deeply invovled with destroying the time line, Destroying Vulcan, and Destroying the Narada and Nero. All of those were Plot points in the film not just mere explanation as what Spock says of Voyager VI's fate.

Plot Devices PROGRESS the STORY your're watching.
Explanations just make the story more believable.
Beyond avoiding the audience suddenly remembering why they skipped science in high-school, I see nothing wrong with calling a red substance "Red Matter". A Black Hole is called such because it is black, and looks like a hole visually. Black Hole is a well known term, accepted by the scientific community, and is also not a scientific descriptor.

RE: Plot Device ...

The Black Hole and Red Matter are window dressing on the fact that Nero came back in time and changed reality for our cast, and is also there to provide a way to destroy Vulcan.

It was not important enough to the story to flesh out beyond what it needed to do in the story:

- Provide a means for time travel.
- Provide an explanation as to why both Nero and Spock Prime went back in time.
- Provide a devastating way to destroy Vulcan.

In ST:TMP, the Voyager 6/Black Hole was the explanation that made everything make sense.

It is JUST as important as a plot device as the Black Hole in ST:TMP as it was in Star Trek.
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:06 PM
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Beyond avoiding the audience suddenly remembering why they skipped science in high-school, I see nothing wrong with calling a red substance "Red Matter". A Black Hole is called such because it is black, and looks like a hole visually. Black Hole is a well known term, accepted by the scientific community, and is also not a scientific descriptor.

RE: Plot Device ...

The Black Hole and Red Matter are window dressing on the fact that Nero came back in time and changed reality for our cast, and is also there to provide a way to destroy Vulcan.

It was not important enough to the story to flesh out beyond what it needed to do in the story:

- Provide a means for time travel.
- Provide an explanation as to why both Nero and Spock Prime went back in time.
- Provide a devastating way to destroy Vulcan.

In ST:TMP, the Voyager 6/Black Hole was the explanation that made everything make sense.

It is JUST as important as a plot device as the Black Hole in ST:TMP as it was in Star Trek.
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:09 PM
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The only thing I did not like about the black hole was the fact that it did not automatically consume the planet. Realisically, it would be an almost instantaneous recation and there would be no hope of escaping.
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:12 PM
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The only thing I did not like about the black hole was the fact that it did not automatically consume the planet. Realisically, it would be an almost instantaneous recation and there would be no hope of escaping.
Realistically, no-one knows what would happen....

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Old 07-01-2009, 04:17 PM
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Ask Stephen Hawking (lol).
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:19 PM
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Ask Stephen Hawking (lol).
why? what special knowledge does he have?
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:20 PM
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His theory on black holes!
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:29 PM
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His theory on black holes!
are just that - theories ... no more valid than my nephew's claim today that he didn't do it
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:32 PM
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Something only becomes classed as a theory when it has proved itself to be plausible.
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He doesn't have a theory on artificial black holes created by red matter. Nobody does
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