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Old 07-01-2009, 11:36 AM
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That's true too.
Black holes don't conduct matter.
If you go through one you come out as energy
A tunnel through space and time is called a whole and I've only read some speculative documents on connection with the two.

Well, half a black hole isn't much use now, is it?
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:40 AM
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I meant wormhole....
(I was thinking faster than I was typing.)
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V'ger when it was still Voyager got transported some great distance (and possibly time as well) through a black hole in TMP, so it's not the first instance of this in a Star Trek movie.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:52 PM
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Very True....
But it's also not a plot device in TMP.
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The whole movie hinges on the idea that Voyager was enhanced by a power far enough away from the Federation that they had no contact with them before, I would say that it is as much of a plot devise as it is in the new movie.
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The whole movie hinges on the idea that Voyager was enhanced by a power far enough away from the Federation that they had no contact with them before, I would say that it is as much of a plot devise as it is in the new movie.
yes that is correct.
anywho, no-one really knows how anything in space really works.
anyway the naysayers real problem with the movie was that it is fantastic, while the TNG movies were rubbish.
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1. Protomatter and Dilithium aren't called Red Matter.
2. And they don't look like High Gloss Behr paint.
1. We don't know what Protomatter looks like in Star Trek, and Dilithium looks pretty much like Quartz.
2. Red Matter pretty much describes what it looks live visually. It doesn't look like a butterfly either.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:46 PM
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Very True....
But it's also not a plot device in TMP.
Remove all mention of what happened to Voyager and how it got so intelligent and there is a big hole (no pun intended). I suppose its not really needed for the situation at hand but as backstory to explain what happened... which is what trekkies tend to want in Star Trek.

Might just be semantics.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:21 PM
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1. We don't know what Protomatter looks like in Star Trek, and Dilithium looks pretty much like Quartz.
2. Red Matter pretty much describes what it looks live visually. It doesn't look like a butterfly either.
We know what protomatter looks like. We see in Voyager: Mortal Coil.
"Red Matter" isn't a scientific discripter.
They essentially took Dark Matter which describes the lack of understanding of non luminous matter in the universe and decided to call it Red and make it red for no reason at all.

It's the perfect example of why the film was nowhere near serious science fiction. They might have just as well have called it a berillium sphere, that at least would have been a propper name.

They went to such trouble to avoid techobable they made baby-bable.

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Remove all mention of what happened to Voyager and how it got so intelligent and there is a big hole (no pun intended). I suppose its not really needed for the situation at hand but as backstory to explain what happened... which is what trekkies tend to want in Star Trek.

Might just be semantics.
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The whole movie hinges on the idea that Voyager was enhanced by a power far enough away from the Federation that they had no contact with them before, I would say that it is as much of a plot devise as it is in the new movie.
None of this movie hinges on this point.
The Plot of The Motion Picture is to stop an alien invader from destroying the planet. (Save the Planet). How far away Voyager VI got and dropping into a blackhole has nothing to do with that goal.

On the Other hand a Blackhole was completely related and deeply invovled with destroying the time line, Destroying Vulcan, and Destroying the Narada and Nero. All of those were Plot points in the film not just mere explanation as what Spock says of Voyager VI's fate.

Plot Devices PROGRESS the STORY your're watching.
Explanations just make the story more believable.
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For the alien invader to have existed at all depends on that plot devise though. Otherwise, Voyager would have still been in our backyard relatively speaking due to it's slow rate of speed.
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