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Me neither - although Stewart had become unhappy by season 3 and wanted more action (hence the introduction of Vash etc).
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Well Stewart wanted, as he said "More sex for the Capatain." Picard as a charater really started to blossom in Season 3. Probably thanks to Stewart and Pillar.
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Well Stewart wanted, as he said "More sex for the Capatain." Picard as a charater really started to blossom in Season 3. Probably thanks to Stewart and Pillar.
Piller was a blessing and a curse in some respects. He wanted to concentrate on the characters and I believe his dictat for season 3 was that if nothing in an episode developed a character or characters in some relevant way - he didn't want to know.

Which is good for the actors and the viewers who are invested in those characters.

But....season 3 is also when TNG completely lost the feeling of the ship being out there exploring deep space and the last time it had that TOS feel of the sheer incalculable vastness of Space. That ultimately led the overall series feeling as though space had 'shrunk' and that it wasn't so big that was a (I feel, anyway) problem the later series subtly suffered from.
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Piller was a blessing and a curse in some respects. He wanted to concentrate on the characters and I believe his dictat for season 3 was that if nothing in an episode developed a character or characters in some relevant way - he didn't want to know.

Which is good for the actors and the viewers who are invested in those characters.

But....season 3 is also when TNG completely lost the feeling of the ship being out there exploring deep space and the last time it had that TOS feel of the sheer incalculable vastness of Space. That ultimately led the overall series feeling as though space had 'shrunk' and that it wasn't so big that was a (I feel, anyway) problem the later series subtly suffered from.
Seasons 1-2 of TNG to me suffered from being too TOS-like. Here they went to all this trouble to try to get as far away from TOS as possible in the creation of this show and parts of it were like retread.

Trek to me has allways been about charaterizations. So the change in Season 3 was a welcome one.
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Seasons 1-2 of TNG to me suffered from being too TOS-like. Here they went to all this trouble to try to get as far away from TOS as possible in the creation of this show and parts of it were like retread.

Trek to me has allways been about charaterizations. So the change in Season 3 was a welcome one.
I think there was a middle line that could have been drawn along the way. There were some elements from TOS that were still welcome within the TNG Framework.
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I think there was a middle line that could have been drawn along the way. There were some elements from TOS that were still welcome within the TNG Framework.
GR treid so hard to make sure TNG was NOTHING like TOS. He was crazy about making sure this series stood on it's own, without any affiliation to TOS. Until about season 3.
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GR treid so hard to make sure TNG was NOTHING like TOS. He was crazy about making sure this series stood on it's own, without any affiliation to TOS. Until about season 3.
I'm not referring to characters or character development.

What I mean though, is that he had an ability to present space itself as big, and that the ship was out there far from home in territory wondrous and dangerous at the same time.

Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG had that, later seasons didn't, and nor did DS9 or VOY despite actually being set far out. Voyager was supposed to be decades from home, yet ended up with monthly emails home!

Hardly vast!!

There's just something in the way he was able to present that side of things. It's a skill no subsequent showrunner or writer on TNG etc had. Although they were all better at character work.
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I'm not referring to characters or character development.

What I mean though, is that he had an ability to present space itself as big, and that the ship was out there far from home in territory wondrous and dangerous at the same time.

Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG had that, later seasons didn't, and nor did DS9 or VOY despite actually being set far out. Voyager was supposed to be decades from home, yet ended up with monthly emails home!

Hardly vast!!

There's just something in the way he was able to present that side of things. It's a skill no subsequent showrunner or writer on TNG etc had. Although they were all better at character work.
Hmmmm...have to think on that one.
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Though, interestingly, where others have failed in that regard, I felt Abrams succeeded in bringing that feel back to the forefront of the new film.
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Though, interestingly, where others have failed in that regard, I felt Abrams succeeded in bringing that feel back to the forefront of the new film.
I did feel the same kind of grandness that TMP tried to have.
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"Best of Both Worlds"

Best cliffhanger EVER!!

That's all I'm saying here.
That episode should have been the first TNG movie.
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