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Old 07-16-2009, 11:33 AM
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It's by far the most complete Trek series. It has a specific story that it tells and it's like a novel in TV form. It has a beginning, middle and end and it worked wonderfully.

It's may favourite series as a piece of work.

I do love TNG more followed by TOS. I'm not a fan of the others though.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:06 PM
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DS9 is truly a work of art. Great literature for television. I cannot praise it highly enough.
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Old 07-23-2009, 03:57 PM
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I just finished it for the second time in a row, and I am half tempted to do it again! It is so good. Seriously, I'll let it rest a bit and do a Voyager marathon, *lifts his glass* HERE'S TO YOU, DEEP SPACE NINE!
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DS9 benefitted from being the real bastard step child of the Star Trek series. TNG ended and Paramount wanted another Trek series with self-contained episodes which could be played on TV in any order in syndication.

So, the lackluster Voyager was pushed into production, while DS9 was allowed to press on with its unconventional dark Trek, continual story arcs, REAL character development......honestly we are really lucky DS9 exists. It is truly unique in the Trek cannon. Not to say that the groundwork was not laid by other great shows like Babylon 5, but for Trek, to have a series with consequences which carried on for the entire series was totally new. In TNG, the destruction of the USS Oddessy would have been the first of a two-part episode. In DS9, it was the first shot fired in a war.

DS9 dealed with religious and political issues between the Bajorans and Cardassians that TNG/VOY/ENT would never have had the balls to go near. Ben Sisko was allowed to be fallable, and human, unlike Kirk, and we never saw Picard deal with critical character issues beyond the personal (his brother/family and his relationship with The Borg). Sisko was not a hero character. He was a human character, from the pilot where the Borg kill his wife to the finale where god knows what happens to him. DS9 is truly unique in the lineage of the Trek saga.
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Old 07-26-2009, 01:19 AM
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I disagree, there were plenty of stories about religion or politics in TOS and TNG. Kirk and Picard are as human as Sisko, had their personal moments and erred often enough.

I like DS9, but there is no need to pretend that previous Trek feared to talk about politics and was full of cardboard characters just to make DS9 look brighter.
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Old 07-27-2009, 05:22 AM
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DS9 benefitted from being the real bastard step child of the Star Trek series. TNG ended and Paramount wanted another Trek series with self-contained episodes which could be played on TV in any order in syndication.

So, the lackluster Voyager was pushed into production, while DS9 was allowed to press on with its unconventional dark Trek, continual story arcs, REAL character development......honestly we are really lucky DS9 exists. It is truly unique in the Trek cannon. Not to say that the groundwork was not laid by other great shows like Babylon 5, but for Trek, to have a series with consequences which carried on for the entire series was totally new. In TNG, the destruction of the USS Oddessy would have been the first of a two-part episode. In DS9, it was the first shot fired in a war.

DS9 dealed with religious and political issues between the Bajorans and Cardassians that TNG/VOY/ENT would never have had the balls to go near. Ben Sisko was allowed to be fallable, and human, unlike Kirk, and we never saw Picard deal with critical character issues beyond the personal (his brother/family and his relationship with The Borg). Sisko was not a hero character. He was a human character, from the pilot where the Borg kill his wife to the finale where god knows what happens to him. DS9 is truly unique in the lineage of the Trek saga.
It took 2 seasons before DS9 really came into it's own, but when it did, it tok no half measures. Seasons 3-7 I rate aginst any TNG episodes.

ENT was the real bastard child, it seemed UPN was out to kill it from day one. ENT, I feel, has gotten a horrible rap.
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Did Gene Roddenberry not originally mean for Star Trek, in some respects, to be a social commentary?

I teach Religious, Moral and Philosophical studies in High School and I have used episodes of Voyager for discussions on the death penalty, human sexuality and utilitarianism. I have not got far enough into DS9 to find any stories of particular use for our curriculum but I'm sure i will. I may be slightly more in tune with finding moral and ethical plots in TV programmes as I do it for a living (I also use West Wing, Simpsons, Friends and a number of movies). I just have to get the pupils to stop telling me they don't want to watch star trek as it's for geeks- though STXI turned a few of them round on it.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:24 AM
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Using Trek in teaching, that's great.
There are plenty of suitable DS9 episodes, e.g. the famous "In the Pale Moonlight" where Sisko has to face a tough moral choice or the first season episode "Duet" which is about Cardassin-Bajoran relations, persisting hate and forgiveness. There are of course plenty more which I don't recall at the moment,
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Sisko took was portrayed as a man who would go more outside the box, he would take more chances than the other 4 Captians. In The Pale Moonlight, (which is one of my favorites) proved that he was capable of crossing the line more so than the others. Archer is close behind him on that one, in, "Damage" he tries to barter with some aliens for a warp coil, they say no, they only have theirs. Later Archer makes the decision to get a landy party and TAKE the aliens warp coil. Archer did it, but it along with the entire Xindi war changed him a lot. But he, like Sisko, wasn't above doing daring things. I just feel that it bothered Archer more than Sisko.
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