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Old 06-14-2009, 12:34 AM
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I will never get on a plane while still breathing, but my Dad flies at least once a year...if I knew the plane he would be on was designed to prevent or limit the pilot in any way, I would insist on driving him to Tennessee instead.
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:12 AM
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As much as I have flown, I could have had a computer flying me fro all I know....lol.
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:18 AM
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That depends on the AI of the computer.

Computers already can beat chessmasters. The right decision in a crises isn't much more than mathematics. The human instinct doesn't do anything else than a computer does. Subconsciously your brain calculates what the right decision might be, on the basis of your learned and genetically programed experiences.

How good the computer's reaction will be, depends on a few aspects: How flexible is the AI, how big are the saved "experiences" and how qualified the programed conclusions?

Additionally I am not sure how well the human instinct really is adjusted to flying, since the human himself isn't a flying species.
I would rather count on conscious, rational decisions of a pilot than on his instincts.
Good points, TT, and it could very well be possible that in a few decades artifical intelligence is able to pilot a plane better and saver than a pilot. The job of the pilot would then become the job of the programmer.

Yet today we are far away from any kind of AI that would be able to do that job. Yes, we have chess engines that are superior to even the best chess player in the world. But chess is a determinstic game while flying is real life and much more complicated. Even in chess, intution and understanding the position makes the human mind superior to the engine, which trumphes with raw calculation power. These human strengths are much more relevant in a complex situation like flying.
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:20 AM
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Wether I want computers to fly the plane? Depends on who the pilot is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgztUv-5MjU
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:17 AM
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Interesting vid, BB. He looks drunk but we don't know if the pilot suffered from stomach flu, food poisoning or if this was a staged YouTube vid.

Regarding the issue of intoxicated commercial pilots, the airlines should install devices similar to ignition interlock in motor vehicles where a pilot must blow into a tube and have his/her blood alcohol levels measured before the plane leaves the gate.
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:27 AM
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Can I get the Robot from Lost In Space to fly it? LOL
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As far as I'm aware the space shuttle computer can land the shuttle on its own. Apparently it's not used because the human pilot is better. The computer controls the launch though. It's not a huge deal. There are lots of trains which are run by robots and noone bats an eyelid. It's just a matter of time.
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I will never get on a plane while still breathing, but my Dad flies at least once a year...if I knew the plane he would be on was designed to prevent or limit the pilot in any way, I would insist on driving him to Tennessee instead.
And yet I'm sure you're happy to drive, which is statistically far more dangerous. Funny, human perception of risk.
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:20 PM
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And yet I'm sure you're happy to drive, which is statistically far more dangerous. Funny, human perception of risk.
No, but in a car, I can pull over and rest if I get sick...and I get dizzy standing on a ten foot ladder, so Imagine me 30,000 feet in the air?
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Then again, you cant drink and drive but you can drink and fly. Unless you are the pilot... I hope.
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