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Old 06-13-2009, 01:54 AM
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When lives are at risk, or being threatened, control should NOT be taken out of human hands.

Computers lack instinct. Computers lack soul.

Computers are meant to assist, not to take over.

Computers most definitely should not decide who lives and who dies.
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When lives are at risk, or being threatened, control should NOT be taken out of human hands.

Computers lack instinct. Computers lack soul.

Computers are meant to assist, not to take over.

Computers most definitely should not decide who lives and who dies.
One day computer pilots will outperform human pilots in reaction time and a human pilot's inability to soak up high g forces will make using humans impractical. There will be no choice but to use AI driven aircraft piloted by fearless and tireless machines with access to more senses than a human possesses.

One day software will be written to allow a computer to fly a fighter plane and deploy weapons against a target as well on as a competent human (when real human frailties such as flying while fatigued etc are factored in.) Once this is done, the computer's reaction time while running the same software will increase exponentially according to Moore's Law. The analysis of possible outcomes that the computer can analyse will also increase exponentially. In such a system a human taking the aircraft off autopilot would represent a diminishment in capability.

On the moralistic end, I certainly agree that robots and AIs are a very long way away from being able to distinguish combatants from civilians. It's very worrying that the US is going hell for leather in developing robotic weapons systems without a proper international legal framework to keep an eye on things.
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Old 06-13-2009, 02:24 AM
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One day computer pilots will outperform human pilots in reaction time and a human pilot's inability to soak up high g forces will make using humans impractical. There will be no choice but to use AI driven aircraft piloted by fearless and tireless machines with access to more senses than a human possesses.

One day software will be written to allow a computer to fly a fighter plane and deploy weapons against a target as well on as a competent human (when real human frailties such as flying while fatigued etc are factored in.) Once this is done, the computer's reaction time while running the same software will increase exponentially according to Moore's Law. The analysis of possible outcomes that the computer can analyse will also increase exponentially. In such a system a human taking the aircraft off autopilot would represent a diminishment in capability.

On the moralistic end, I certainly agree that robots and AIs are a very long way away from being able to distinguish combatants from civilians. It's very worrying that the US is going hell for leather in developing robotic weapons systems without a proper international legal framework to keep an eye on things.

Interesting points. If you are going to send machines to do man's battles, at least let man have remote control over the machines...like our UAV's. Legal oversight still falls on humanity. A machine cannot be punished.

To add to that, there's also Murphy's Law: Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, at the worst possible time.

There's also this little pearl of wisdom: To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer.
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When lives are at risk, or being threatened, control should NOT be taken out of human hands.

Computers lack instinct. Computers lack soul.

Computers are meant to assist, not to take over.
That depends on the AI of the computer.

Computers already can beat chessmasters. The right decision in a crises isn't much more than mathematics. The human instinct doesn't do anything else than a computer does. Subconsciously your brain calculates what the right decision might be, on the basis of your learned and genetically programed experiences.

How good the computer's reaction will be, depends on a few aspects: How flexible is the AI, how big are the saved "experiences" and how qualified the programed conclusions?

Additionally I am not sure how well the human instinct really is adjusted to flying, since the human himself isn't a flying species.
I would rather count on conscious, rational decisions of a pilot than on his instincts.


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Computers most definitely should not decide who lives and who dies.
That's true.

However when a plane crashes the probability is high that everyone dies. So computers don't have to make a decision about who will die. It's a all or nothing/pass-fail situation.

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If you are going to send machines to do man's battles
I see an other danger in sending machines to man's battles:

When you fight with machines, fighting is less costly, less tragic. In the first steps at the beginning of a war you only lose machines, not living soldiers.

Therefore you don't fear war as much as you would with human soldiers at risk. Thence you have a higher incentive to solve your problems with violence and a lower incentive to end a once started war.
(reminds me a little bit to "TOS A Taste of Armageddon")
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If you are going to send machines to do man's battles, at least let man have remote control over the machines...like our UAV's. Legal oversight still falls on humanity. A machine cannot be punished.
Let me get this straight...the government would regard wriggling out of legal responsibility by hiding behind a machine as a bad thing?
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Ok, so Data is not allowed to fly our plane. LOL
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Ok, so Data is not allowed to fly our plane. LOL
Of course not because hes only an actor who probably only knows how to drive a car. He might make a good driver for a general.
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Of course not because hes only an actor who probably only knows how to drive a car. He might make a good driver for a general.
It was a joke....you know ha ha funny...
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Let me get this straight...the government would regard wriggling out of legal responsibility by hiding behind a machine as a bad thing?
LOL! I must've been buzzed when I typed some of my remarks.

I think I'm gonna stop while I'm ahead....bzzt...crackle...error...error...does not compute....human life forms....bzzt....must be....term.....term....error 10293111.4a...violation...error.....


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It was a joke....you know ha ha funny...
Of course... ha ha... got it from the start... ha ha. See? ha ha.
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