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Old 06-11-2009, 06:22 AM
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That damage was to the port side neck...
It also doesn't explain the Fleet's slow speed to respond to vulcan...Warp 3. Knowing the Planet was under attack...
The damage to the nacelle was external...We only see platting sheered off. There was no report of damage at the time.
"We can't take another hit like that!" - Sulu
And the fleet DIDN'T know it's an attack.
Perhaps you also missed the scene where Kirk has to convince Pike that it's an attack...
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:22 AM
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May we should come up with a new warp scale for STXI Universe, perhaps?
With ships this big it should be nice and slow.
We still don't know the distance between vulcan and Earth in this series of movies...but apparently warp 3 is max cruise velocity and Vulcan has another planet as a moon...

so...logic has already gone the way of the Doe-doe bird.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:24 AM
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"We can't take another hit like that!" - Sulu
And the fleet DIDN'T know it's an attack.
Perhaps you also missed the scene where Kirk has to convince Pike that it's an attack...

I quote: "Shields at 34%. We can't take another hit like that."~Sulu.
That was not a damage report on the engines. It was a damage report on the shields.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:25 AM
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I'm glad I didn't say that then.
Voyager actually did follow distance speed accurately. I know of no situtation where Voyager's speed was too fast or too slow, they constantly repeated Voyagers top speed of warp 9.975 through out the show. The only disservice is that they didn't use it often enough as much trouble as Voyager fond her self in.

TNG rarely mentioned Time Speed and Distance together .
In Bloodlines we are actually give a time of 20 minutes at warp 9 to reach Damon Bok's ship to rescue Picard Faux Son. The time matches fairly close with the warp speed chart.


DS9, trampled over speeds constantly with it's fleet movements.
They reached Cardassia in something line less than a Day on a Bajoran sail ship, They reached Earth in a shuttle in less than a day. (Any time people are on board a vessel with no bath room for extended periods we have to assume it was less than a day)

Some Fleet movents did take days...as is appropriate.
Other times they were far too quick.

Enterprise did the worse damage.
The slow warp 5 ship went places that should never have gotten too with out specificly knowin they were there or just simply lacked the speed to get there on either scale but they had thrown Trek out the air lock anyway so why pay attention to this detail?
Which only proves that for dramatic purposes speeds and distances vary according to whomever is writing that week.

I'd have to double check of course, but I don't the Bajoran sail ship journey was as little as a day.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:31 AM
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Which only proves that for dramatic purposes speeds and distances vary according to whomever is writing that week.

I'd have to double check of course, but I don't the Bajoran sail ship journey was as little as a day.

They brake a main sail ...catch an tachyon eddy for a few minutes and arrive in minutes at Cardassia.
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Strictly speaking, we do not have anything close to a complete BDA on the Enterprise after the initial encounter, which is true of just about every episode and movie so the question of what systems were damaged and to what extent is highly speculative at best.
Indeed. Besides how many episodes did enemy fire knock out every ship's system including the engines, to suit that episode!

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While the nacelle may or may not have any particularly purpose for the regular engine function, if we want to look at how present day aircraft works, you are definitely right that one should be cautious around a damaged engine nacelle. In today's aircraft, nacelles serve more than just a covering to protect the engine. They also protect the aircraft passengers and crew from catastrophic engine failure.

I don't remember the specific incident, but there is a case in a commercial airliner where an engine turbine blade failed and destroyed the engine. The nacelle having not been properly inspected, failed the contain the aftermath of the engine destroying itself. The result was a fan blade bursting out of the nacelle and striking the passenger cabin killing a mother who was sitting right next to her daughter. So damaged nacelles aren't something to sneeze at.
Sounds reasonable in light of such an example.

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With ships this big it should be nice and slow.
We still don't know the distance between vulcan and Earth in this series of movies...but apparently warp 3 is max cruise velocity and Vulcan has another planet as a moon...

so...logic has already gone the way of the Doe-doe bird.
Ok, you won't like this probably but.....what the heck.....when it comes to Delta Vega, it's not intended as a moon of Vulcan.

It's not even supposed to be as close as it seems. It's an 'impressionistic' moment in the film to convey Spock 'seeing' Vulcan's destruction.

And in fact, it probably is a distance or two away - when Vulcan gets destroyed there are several scenes and a time cut that take place between it's loss and Kirk's ejection to Delta Vega.

So if you pay attention to the film, the two are not that close in 'reality' to each other.
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Which is pretty good, considering if the NX's Nacele is usually damaged it wont even do warp one.

the nx imo is as reliable as an old chevy on blocks.
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They brake a main sail ...catch an tachyon eddy for a few minutes and arrive in minutes at Cardassia.
I'd need to rewatch the episode, but from my recollection (since part of the story is Jake and Sisko having some father and son bonding time) it takes a bit more time from leaving DS9 to arriving at Cardassian space.

I shall review the summary on Memory Alpha in the meantime.
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When they broke the sail they were less than a Day from Cardassia...things happened pretty quickly after that.
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Yes....after that. How long were they sailing prior?
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