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Old 06-11-2009, 05:58 AM
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Would that be the same tech that permitted the Enterprise D to travel from the Outer Rim of the Federation to Earth in a short space of time in 'Conspiracy'?
TNG never gives ETA's most of the time.
just because we see it happen in 45 minutes doesn't mean it happened in 45 minutes. When we see external cut scene it tends to mean time has pass. That's a little cheat that movie story tellers do to convey the passage of time.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:03 AM
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That damage was to the port side neck...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that fairly close to the Sexyprise's Warp Core(s)? The damage might not have to be to the nacelles.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:08 AM
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Yeah but there is no damage there when we see the pod ejected...it's blemishless.
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Ow, that is merely hogwash. Many episodes show the ships zipping around like planets were merely days away. To say that TNG, DS9 or VOY followed its own rules stringently is disingenuous. Heck, even the Enterprise pilot showed a Warp 4.5 vessel travel to the Klingon empire in a week.
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May we should come up with a new warp scale for STXI Universe, perhaps?
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The damage to the nacelle was external...We only see platting sheered off. There was no report of damage at the time.
Just because we see external damage only does preclude internal damage. It remains a damaged piece of equipment.

Spock does say something about damage to the ship in a later dialogue scene, however I'm not sure if it detailed the engines.

Anyway, it seems straightforward - nacelle damage = caution using the warp drive until said damage can be fully inspected and repaired.
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Strictly speaking, we do not have anything close to a complete BDA on the Enterprise after the initial encounter, which is true of just about every episode and movie so the question of what systems were damaged and to what extent is highly speculative at best.
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Ow, that is merely hogwash. Many episodes show the ships zipping around like planets were merely days away. To say that TNG, DS9 or VOY followed its own rules stringently is disingenuous. Heck, even the Enterprise pilot showed a Warp 4.5 vessel travel to the Klingon empire in a week.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:19 AM
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Ow, that is merely hogwash. Many episodes show the ships zipping around like planets were merely days away. To say that TNG, DS9 or VOY followed its own rules stringently is disingenuous. Heck, even the Enterprise pilot showed a Warp 4.5 vessel travel to the Klingon empire in a week.
I'm glad I didn't say that then.
Voyager actually did follow distance speed accurately. I know of no situtation where Voyager's speed was too fast or too slow, they constantly repeated Voyagers top speed of warp 9.975 through out the show. The only disservice is that they didn't use it often enough as much trouble as Voyager fond her self in.

TNG rarely mentioned Time Speed and Distance together .
In Bloodlines we are actually give a time of 20 minutes at warp 9 to reach Damon Bok's ship to rescue Picard Faux Son. The time matches fairly close with the warp speed chart.


DS9, trampled over speeds constantly with it's fleet movements.
They reached Cardassia in something line less than a Day on a Bajoran sail ship, They reached Earth in a shuttle in less than a day. (Any time people are on board a vessel with no bath room for extended periods we have to assume it was less than a day)

Some Fleet movents did take days...as is appropriate.
Other times they were far too quick.

Enterprise did the worse damage.
The slow warp 5 ship went places that should never have gotten too with out specificly knowin they were there or just simply lacked the speed to get there on either scale but they had thrown Trek out the air lock anyway so why pay attention to this detail?
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Just because we see external damage only does preclude internal damage. It remains a damaged piece of equipment.

Spock does say something about damage to the ship in a later dialogue scene, however I'm not sure if it detailed the engines.

Anyway, it seems straightforward - nacelle damage = caution using the warp drive until said damage can be fully inspected and repaired.
While the nacelle may or may not have any particularly purpose for the regular engine function, if we want to look at how present day aircraft works, you are definitely right that one should be cautious around a damaged engine nacelle. In today's aircraft, nacelles serve more than just a covering to protect the engine. They also protect the aircraft passengers and crew from catastrophic engine failure.

I don't remember the specific incident, but there is a case in a commercial airliner where an engine turbine blade failed and destroyed the engine. The nacelle having not been properly inspected, failed the contain the aftermath of the engine destroying itself. The result was a fan blade bursting out of the nacelle and striking the passenger cabin killing a mother who was sitting right next to her daughter. So damaged nacelles aren't something to sneeze at.
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