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Old 06-07-2009, 08:10 AM
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I just didn't feel it added anything to the Terminator story at all. Nothing was advanced in terms of the human resistance or weakening Skynet.

So, I don't feel the film had any point. As D notes and I would agree with - there was simply nothing compelling about anything that happened.
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T3 and T4 should never have been made.
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Ironically T3 went up in my estimation after T4 - at least in it we see how Connor survived Judgement Day to later lead.
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Ironically T3 went up in my estimation after T4 - at least in it we see how Connor survived Judgement Day to later lead.
But T3 basically says the first 2 films don't count.
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Yeah, it still has flaws - just nothing compared to T4
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Yeah, it still has flaws - just nothing compared to T4
For me, I felt James Cameron brought the story to a close in T2.
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I think he did as well - which is why his involvement has been very minimal since then.

I may be wrong but I tended to think Cameron was trying to strongly hint that Judgement Day could be avoided, that it wasn't an absolute. He was an optimist in the end.

T3 and T4 reversed that idea. That it was unavoidable no matter what you did to try and stop it. It would only get delayed at best.
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I think he did as well - which is why his involvement has been very minimal since then.

I may be wrong but I tended to think Cameron was trying to strongly hint that Judgement Day could be avoided, that it wasn't an absolute. He was an optimist in the end.

T3 and T4 reversed that idea. That it was unavoidable no matter what you did to try and stop it. It would only get delayed at best.
I agree that Cameron insinuated that the future is not preordained. But T3 remade Skynet, remade everything.

For me, it would like Star Trek charters wearing cowboy hats, shooting 6 shooters, and having a steam powered starship.
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I think that T3's whole point was that John couldn't escape his destiny. There was no avoiding Judgment Day. The variables of how Skynet came about were different because of the alterations to the timeline in T2. T4 plays off of this, note the beginning in 2003 (the new year of Judgment Day according to T3).
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Not sure - though I blame Bale on that one. The guy simply entered Bale's line of sight during a scene, and for a technically sound reason too. Merely seeing a crewmember hardly seems like grounds for a full-blown tantrum. Especially considering that most of John Connor's scenes involved little more than "mumble mumble mumble by machiiiiiiiines... mumble mumble mumble the machiiiiiiiines..."
no, that's not what happened at all. the DP kept interfering with the lighting throughout the shoot - while filming was in progress. he had been told off by McG and Bale many times. on a particular hot day, he did it again and Bale lost his temper. you say for a technically sound reason, but filming was in progress and crew members do not do that during a scene. Bale lost his his temper with a co-worker. can any one say they have not done the same, or never will?

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I never knew John Conner could be such a flat, uninteresting character. Christian Bale managed quite a feat by appearing bored and mumbly for the entire film.

Marcus Wright was a fascinating character, though, and Chekov wasn't bad either.
I wholeheartedly disagree here.
Yelchin did a fine job and as did Bale - it was no Bruce Wayne or Machinist but fine work all the same. but Marcus/Worthington was the one I thought was flat and uninteresting. can't see him holding my interest in CLASH OF THE TITANS or AVATAR.

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Didn't really have the heart and soul of the earlier films and TV show, something I'd feared would happen when the series was taken out of the here-and-now and flung into the too-familiar 'post apocalyptic battlefield' setting.
only so many times the time travel thing is going to be interesting
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