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Old 02-23-2008, 11:41 AM
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Default Infinite velocity - yticolev etinifni naht retsaf

Regarding 'Warp 10' and infinite velocities - if one travels at a speed that is infinite then surely one should arrive at one's destination in the same moment that one left. Rather than being in every point in space at once.
I suppose that if one were to travel at warp 9.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999....
and there were no coordinates set, then one might travel through the entire universe very very very quickly it might seem as if one were everywhere at once.

Going by this, if one could theoretically go faster than this infinite velocity as outlined above (instantaneous transportation to any point in the universe) then one might find themselves travelling backwards in time.

If you think about it - to travel somewhere means that time is taken to arrive at the destination.The faster one goes, the less time taken. But to go infinitely fast would mean to take no time at all to arrive. Obviously an extension of this is to take off the time that would otherwise be taken.

Similar to the event in TOS where Spock and Scotty cold start the engine and travel backwards in time by two days (I believe that it was the episode with the gravity-affected-water-molecule plague.I could be wrong).

I thought of this one day whilst being bored - it has no reflection of 'real-world' physics but seems a very 'Trekkish' explanation to me.
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O dear, those nines look terribly messy.
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:17 PM
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I believe you're getting pretty close to theories about "folding space" and "wormholes."
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Infinite velocity is a misnomer, IMO. It doesn't mean that you're traveling at infinite velocity, per se, but that you occupy every point in the Universe already, so in a way you're not traveling anywhere because you're already everywhere...

Just pick a singular point as a final destination. Be it one foot from where you started or one billion light-years away. It's very much the same thing at that point.

The thing about VOY's "Threshold" was that it was supposed to be impossible to travel at infinite velocity at all. It was an absolute value that would be forever out of reach. You'd need infinite power to do that, and the last time I checked, an Intrepid-class starship doesn't have that...
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Hmmm(regarding Gary Seven).... Sort of... But not quite.

Wormholes are tunnels and are not feasibly portable, or recreatable with any ease. It is folding space, really (actually subspace((but O well)). Also it is not like the space folding portals featured in Voyager, which are portals and have a limited range).
Not very similar...
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:31 PM
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Infinite velocity is a misnomer, IMO. It doesn't mean that you're traveling at infinite velocity, per se, but that you occupy every point in the Universe already, so in a way you're not traveling anywhere because you're already everywhere...

Just pick a singular point as a final destination. Be it one foot from where you started or one billion light-years away. It's very much the same thing at that point.

The thing about VOY's "Threshold" was that it was supposed to be impossible to travel at infinite velocity at all. It was an absolute value that would be forever out of reach. You'd need infinite power to do that, and the last time I checked, an Intrepid-class starship doesn't have that...
Yes. The thing is, though, calling warp ten 'infinite velocity' is all very well and good - it makes sense. If you then go on and say that it means that one is everywhere at once does not, in my opinion.It works in The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy with The Infinite Improbability Drive - it is possible that it is infinitely improbable that one occupies every conceivable point in every conceivable universe almost simultaneously - it makes sense (to me, anyway).
In any case you are right that an Intrepid class starship could not have access to infinite amounts of energy - and nor could it's very much smaller shuttlecraft.
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Don't get me started on the 'hyper-evolution'. (Or the nagging plothole that accompanies it)

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The thing about Warp 10 itself is it wasn't actually meant to exist. It's not a warp value at all, it's an impossibility. Even if Q flung you from one corner of the universe to the other, on the warp scale that would be read as warp 9.99999etc, as you said.

In my opinion, in that episode warp 10 was just a label to slap on this new idea. It was interesting, but...that episode had enough problems to distract from anything interesting.

If you think about it logically, one day they might adjust the warp scale so that warp 9.999999etc actually reads as warp 10, warp 11, etc, if a new warp drive comes along that could reach those speeds. Then something like warp 15 would be the impossible to reach infinite velocity.
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Yes. The thing is, though, calling warp ten 'infinite velocity' is all very well and good - it makes sense. If you then go on and say that it means that one is everywhere at once does not, in my opinion.
Yep, and it's another reason why infinite velocity is impossible. You can't occupy every point in the Universe because no two things can occupy the exact same point in space at the same time. And I think that applies to the subspace domain as well.

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It works in The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy with The Infinite Improbability Drive - it is possible that it is infinitely improbable that one occupies every conceivable point in every conceivable universe almost simultaneously - it makes sense (to me, anyway).
Now if only we can find out what that plant meant by "Oh no, not again," before it fell to its doom, we'd be all right...
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Now if only we can find out what that plant meant by "Oh no, not again," before it fell to its doom, we'd be all right...
This was explained, in Life, the Universe and Everything - the bowl of petunias was an incarnation of Agrajag, who gets reincarnated countless numbers of times and is killed, every single time, by Arthur Dent - completely by accident(in the vast majority of cases).

Hence the; ''Oh no, not again.''
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