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Old 06-02-2009, 10:12 PM
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Default What Star Trek as a franchise IS /IS NOT...

The simple truth....


What Star Trek as a whole is:
-Action
-Romance
-Intrigue
-Exploration
-An optimistic view of the future
-ENTERTAINMENT for ALL who will choose to enjoy it.

What Star Trek as a whole is NOT:
-Religion
-Exclusive to any sect of fanboys/girls
-A collection of sacred texts
-Anything to be taken so seriously that one must defend it
tooth and nail with pretentious pseudo-intellectualism, ill-fitting arrogance, and puerile equivocation.


After all, it is ONLY entertainment.

Spoken as a fan of Star Trek for 35 years.

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Old 06-02-2009, 10:37 PM
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I would agree on most of those things except the religion part.

I think Star Trek is very much delved into religion thanks to the DS9 series. The thing about embracing new civilizations is embracing everything about them. Religion is a dominant part of that, I think anyways.

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Whoops...maybe you were referring to Star Trek itself not being a religion and only a TV show. If that's the case then uhh...forget all that I said.
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One of the mantras during the production of the original series was, "There is an intelligent life form on the other side of that television tube!" The entire show was an attempt to reach out and entertain that audience segment that was tired of the standard issue pablum that had been doled out for years by the standard network show.

That's why I think Roddenberry would not have approved of this brain dead, shoot-'em-up, explodapalooza flick that makes a big joke of the show he spent five years of his life bringing to fruition and the rest of his life trying to maintain.

He would have definitely appreciated the royalty check he would've gotten, and loved how sales of TOS DVD sets have shot up 400% since this movie has come out, but he would've made no bones about how any resemblance between this movie and what he worked on is purely coincidental.
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the only thing that REALLY irked me was making Sulu a ninja, even after EXPRESSLY stating he was a fencer.

they broke their own continuity within minutes of establishing it.
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Old 06-03-2009, 12:39 AM
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I would agree on most of those things except the religion part.

I think Star Trek is very much delved into religion thanks to the DS9 series. The thing about embracing new civilizations is embracing everything about them. Religion is a dominant part of that, I think anyways.

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Whoops...maybe you were referring to Star Trek itself not being a religion and only a TV show. If that's the case then uhh...forget all that I said.
At least you get it.
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At least you get it.
remember, though, that episode of Futurama where it HAD become a religion?

All-Power to the Engines!
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What Star Trek as a whole is NOT:
-Religion
-Exclusive to any sect of fanboys/girls
-A collection of sacred texts
-Anything to be taken so seriously that one must defend it
tooth and nail with pretentious pseudo-intellectualism, ill-fitting arrogance, and puerile equivocation.
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One of the mantras during the production of the original series was, "There is an intelligent life form on the other side of that television tube!" The entire show was an attempt to reach out and entertain that audience segment that was tired of the standard issue pablum that had been doled out for years by the standard network show.

That's why I think Roddenberry would not have approved of this brain dead, shoot-'em-up, explodapalooza flick that makes a big joke of the show he spent five years of his life bringing to fruition and the rest of his life trying to maintain.

He would have definitely appreciated the royalty check he would've gotten, and loved how sales of TOS DVD sets have shot up 400% since this movie has come out, but he would've made no bones about how any resemblance between this movie and what he worked on is purely coincidental.
It is fortunate that you have a direct mental link to the late Roddenberry, so you can tell the rest of us what he would think. I am curious, how does he communicate with you? Does he send you visions?
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remember, though, that episode of Futurama where it HAD become a religion?

All-Power to the Engines!

LOL! I have YET to see a lot of Futurama.


Redirect real quick:

Folks, I did not come here to make a hostile statement....and I hope this thread does not devolve into sniping, or anything like that.

I just wanted to point out that it is perfectly alright for everyone to have their own opinions about the new movie, and about Star Trek in general, for good or ill. Just remember, opinions do not constitute fact.
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the only thing that REALLY irked me was making Sulu a ninja, even after EXPRESSLY stating he was a fencer.

they broke their own continuity within minutes of establishing it.
I'm just waiting for the action figure of "SULU with KUNG FU GRIP!"


(err....wait a minute.....scratch that.....LOL!)
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LOL! I have YET to see a lot of Futurama.


Redirect real quick:

Folks, I did not come here to make a hostile statement....and I hope this thread does not devolve into sniping, or anything like that.

I just wanted to point out that it is perfectly alright for everyone to have their own opinions about the new movie, and about Star Trek in general, for good or ill. Just remember, opinions do not constitute fact.
im just having fun. I had my problems w/ Ninja Sulu in this movie, but as a whole, I liked it.

plus, this movie showed me the light. turns out, Twi'leks AREN'T universally superior to Orions, and sometimes redheads can be hot, too.
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