[Samuel]

Originally Posted by DannydeK

Saw an episode last night about the kamikaze-religous people and Archer defending torture because he needed to keep the earth safe. I really see some Bush influence there and it makes me sick.

Then the torture plot served its purpose. You are supposed to feel negatively about it.

[horatio]

I get repetitive but I like to remind all the folks who draw blunt comparsions to 9/11 that it does not hurt to view the entire third season before one makes up one's mind.

First, Archer talked with the reasonable Xindi and convinced them to help him and themselves. Does not sound like Bush.
Second, Archer felt remorse about his torture (4th season's "Home"), not unlike Sisko in "In The Pale Moonlight". Does not sound like Cheney.

Of course LOTR was inspired by WWII, of course ENT's third season was inspired by 9/11. But Sauron ain't Hitler and Archer ain't Bush. ENT showed how you better deal with such lethal attacks: try to understand the rationale of your enemies and try to talk with those who are reasonable.

[captian beckett]

so star trek is all about politics now ??

[DannydeK]

They bring it like torture is a neccesary thing. Everytime I saw that I think 'what would Picard do in TNG..' ANd it doesn't make sense many times. I love the moral debate, I think thats really Star Trek.

The episode with the clone of Tripp, and Archer forcing him to kill himself to safe Tripp looked very evil and dark. The best way would be to put him into a coma the moment he was born, but then again, the episode would suck.

Picard would never kill a sentient being, not by force anyway. Not even to safe his friend and essential crewmember. But if you put the mission in mind, it's understandeble.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by DannydeK

Picard would never kill a sentient being, not by force anyway. Not even to safe his friend and essential crewmember. But if you put the mission in mind, it's understandeble.

Interesting point. I have to go back and think about that show.

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by chator

There are different opinions among ENTERPRISE fans on whether the Xindi story arc helped or hurt the show.
I believe it hurt the show and put ENTERPRISE on the road that led to its cancellation. I know from personal experience that it was the Xindi story arc that caused me to lose interest in the show. Why? Because ENTERPRISE was originally intended to be about the beginnings of intergalactic space exploration and the formation of the Federation. The Xindi story arc moved the show in a direction other than that. Also, i felt the Xindi premise was shaky at best, and executed poorly. I also thought the show was making an indirect political show of support for Bush's decision to invade Iraq in search of WMDs by having Archer enter the "expanse" in search of the weapon the Xindi were developing to attack Earth again with.
Other fans of ENTERPRISE, however, believe the Xindi story arc was in line with ENTERPRISE's mission of exploring the unknown, and the temporal cold war conflict. Also that it hightened the dramatic appeal of the show, that there were still plenty of stand-alone episodes, that the show wasn't simply trying to create political support for America's mission abroad, but was tapping into something that could increase viewership and make the show seem more relevant. What do u think?

Did it hurt?
My God man...Trek Died!

There is no pain after death.
Fortunantly JJ had the Jaws of Life.

[Frenzy]

Originally Posted by DannydeK

They bring it like torture is a neccesary thing. Everytime I saw that I think 'what would Picard do in TNG..' ANd it doesn't make sense many times. I love the moral debate, I think thats really Star Trek.

The episode with the clone of Tripp, and Archer forcing him to kill himself to safe Tripp looked very evil and dark. The best way would be to put him into a coma the moment he was born, but then again, the episode would suck.

Picard would never kill a sentient being, not by force anyway. Not even to safe his friend and essential crewmember. But if you put the mission in mind, it's understandeble.

Voyager killed Tuvix, the transporter hybrid of Tuvok and Neelix. I see no protests against Janeway here

[horatio]

Similtude was one of the finest episodes of ENT and like Tuvix asked whether someone else has the right to command over your life in certain cirumstances. Trek at its best.

[chator]

Originally Posted by Frenzy

Voyager killed Tuvix, the transporter hybrid of Tuvok and Neelix. I see no protests against Janeway here

Janeway did alot of questionable things. Starting off with stranding the crew in the Delta quadrant, but i think she really turned the corner when she collaborated with the Borg to stop Species 8472. But this isn't a Voyager thread now is it?

[horatio]

Yeah, Janeway should have abandoned the Prime Directive, killed every frigging sentient being in the Delta Quadrant who dares to oppose her or prolong the journey home and perhaps even slaughtered some lifeforms to get fuel.