[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by MigueldaRican

So I don't understand. Are you coming right out and saying that you're unforgiving of this movie even though it's guilty of the same thing as every Trek movie before it?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I can appreciate the fact that the movies are going to have a different feel to them. I think Kevin said it best earlier. I think the other movies at least "felt" like Trek to me. I felt like I was in the same universe even though it wasn't a TV'ish story. It's hard to articulate properly. I liked Nemesis and thought it at least tried to make you think about self identity. Insurrection was pretty much gave me the feeling it was telling the same story as when the U.S. relocated Native Americans. First Contact seemed to touch on vengeance and how it can blur your judgment. Generations didn't seem to have that kind of undercurrent or message, but at least it was a story that made more sense.

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by dpinzow

After watching the movie for the second time, this movie does explore at least one element of the human condition, and it's played out in Spock primarily and his confrontations with Kirk.

In our lives we always seem to face decisions that involve going with our head (brain, logic) or going with our heart. Spock's side of the argument was entirely brain (logical), while Kirk's was mostly heart and instinct. The two had to come together (and they did on the Narada) or else their mission would have failed...

That's kind of bare bones Trek, isn't it? If anything I always felt TOS was more of a triple relationship. I would say Spock is the logic, Bones was the emotion, and Kirk was the one that balanced them out. We didn't really see any input from Bones in this movie so it does look like what you describe

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by MrQ1701

No, that's not what I'm saying. I can appreciate the fact that the movies are going to have a different feel to them. I think Kevin said it best earlier. I think the other movies at least "felt" like Trek to me. I felt like I was in the same universe even though it wasn't a TV'ish story. It's hard to articulate properly.

More than anything else, every movie before now benefited from familiarity both in characters and actors. All major actors already had each of their well established parts. None of them had to start from scratch and/or put their own acting spin on the characters. So yes... they all 'felt' like Trek because everyone in them already were established Trek.

Think of this hypothetical. It was time for a TNG movie. The parts were kept the same but the actors were all changed in the move to the big screen. Say that everything was the same about FC but different actors cast to play Picard and the rest. It would be quite jarring, wouldnt it? I probably wouldnt feel like Trek either because of that lack of familiarity.

[Quark]

Originally Posted by HFM

Really Sad actually
How a Great science fiction epic was literally destroyed for the almighty $$$$

How was it destroyed? You realize of course that movies are made to make money, regardless of them being Star Trek or not. I doubt the failure of Nemesis made you feel great.

[Star Trek Viewer]

Originally Posted by Quark

How was it destroyed? You realize of course that movies are made to make money, regardless of them being Star Trek or not. I doubt the failure of Nemesis made you feel great.

Additionally, an idea is the hardest thing to destroy. Even if the current Star Trek movie had been a parody, it would not have destroyed the original Star Trek. The reason for that, of course, is that Star Trek lives in the minds of millions.

Star Trek, in its highest form, is simply the expression of that which is good in all of us. In this sense, it is something like the fictitious "Force" of the Star Wars universe -- except that it is real. As long as we believe in Trek, it has power.

Not bad for something that is not a religion.

[Samuel]

Back on topic:

The more money the movie makes the more freedom the producers and writers will have in what the next movie is about. It was only 2 hours because it was yet unknown if it would be a big hit. Due to the $200 million +, it will probably be 2h15m next time. Maybe more.

[captain spock]

Originally Posted by MrQ1701

Generations ...at least it was a story that made more sense.

You know I'm still trying to figure out Generations, no matter what I do I think it was a movie made to try to fit "William Shatner" (love the guy, but..) into the Next Generation.

This movie allows for a reimagined Star Trek. Kind of like Robin Williams in "Hook" We need to get back to the youth and excitement to make the future live. I doubt Columbus or Louis and Clark were completely celebral, but at times "shot from the hip" so to speak. Young people seldom act with wisdom and insight, but with rashness, power and strength. To me this movie is all about Star Trek's youth.

Kirk's attitude regarding the no win senario was highlighted throughout. Those that hate the movie might want to torture themselves by watching it again and listen to the dialog closely.

To each is own, I'll be buying the DVD when its out, and am glad the $$$ will encourage others to keep Star Trek on TV and on DVD. Quite frankly I was getting abit sick of Star Wars this and Star Wars that. Look at all the kids toys. Now at least we have a few Star Trek ones again, and now some of my collections are actually worth what I paid for them. Whatever this movie has done, it has rekindled Star Trek in me and many 1000's of others, and if we also get some of the masses, then all the more. Purists are forgetting all the long time fans who were waiting for something to wake us up.

[Vincent Cain]

Did this turn into another hate/love the movie thread?
*rubs temples*
Bloody hell.

.....next time I bring out "Uzi Cat".

[JSnyder4]

Originally Posted by Star Trek Viewer

Not bad for something that is not a religion.

Oh, it's a religion.
The very word "Religion" stems from the Latin word religare, which means "to tie, to bind." [You know this as "continuity" - "canon" enters later]

Qualifications for religion according the The Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

1: Belief in a "Universal Creator" or "God/Gods".
[Roddenberry]

2: Distinction between sacred and profane objects.
[I'll let your imagination wander here - but it's not coincidence many cite Star Wars and other such nonsense as a basis for their exclusivity]

3: Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
[Conventions and merchandising among other applicable activities]

4: A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the "Universal Creator" or "God/Gods".
[Self-explanatory]

5: Characteristically religious feelings which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual.
[OMFG! I have "x's" signature! Dude, I bought a phaser that was really used on the show in episode... etc.]

6: Prayer and other forms of communication with the "Universal Creator" or "God/Gods".
[Many, many devotees authoritatively speak for the dusty Roddenberry and his desires he apparently gives from beyond the grave; normally called priests or variations thereof]

7: A world/generalized view of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This view contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
[Simply put (an example); Geeks vs Jocks. Imagine the sheer terror of mainstreaming Trek. These people lose their unique place in the cosmos]

8: A more or less total organization of one’s life based on the world view.
[This is the proverbial "basement dweller" syndrome.]

9: A social group bound together by the above.
[Trekker not Trekkie. Get it right!]

10: A strict definition of acceptable beliefs and doctrine encompassing and shaping the belief system established by the "Universal Creator" or "God/Gods".
[Canon; the teachings or bible of the religion]

[martok2112]

Star Trek has something for everyone, and I'm really SICK AND F***ING TIRED of the pseudo-intellectuals thinking that it belongs ONLY TO THEM!!!! That is bulls**t thinking, pretentiousness, and yeah....again...downright bulls**t!

Star Trek is alive and well again, thanks to JJ Abrams and Co......and the pseudo-intellectuals seem to forget that the next movie could possibly be more along the lines of what they're looking for. Star Trek needed a swift kick in the a**, and that's what it got. Now it can move along at a more leisurely pace.

Jesus Fracking Christmas this is so old!!!!