[kevin]

Originally Posted by theGeekKing

that's just it, though: they DON'T mention her posting.

we're left to assume based off of a smile that could'a said: "hey roomie, we got the same ship"

A-Ha!! But the Uhura got her assignment changed!!

So if they had been assigned to the same ship, Uhura got moved - so Gaila couldn't have been on the Enterprise and if she was on another ship was destroyed with it!

or "I got the shinyest assignment in the fleet!"

Which would explain Uhura's anger - 'I thought I slept with Spock for that job'

or "I got posted on a station in orbit over the prime vacation spot in the quadrant!"

No, coz all the cadets were being posted to ships - per instructions from the Academy dude.

or even "look at all the people I could be 'bunking with' on my new assignment!"

I hope she got to 'bunk' before they got blown up.

[theGeekKing]

Originally Posted by kevin

Well, ok - for you she's alive and well

For me, she's toast. Maybe if she's alive she'll pop up in the sequel

in a perfect world, she'd be real.

in MY perfect world, she'd be local to me.

in a world too perfect to even contemplate, I'd stand more than a snowball's chance on Ceti Alpha 5 ( post the CA6 incident ) w/ her.

but, in the world as-is, whether the character survived or not is just unanswerable.

whether or not the question is ever answered, she has been forever memorialized as my new laptop background image.

. . .

yup.

it's official.

I'm a loser.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by theGeekKing

yup.

it's official.

I'm a loser.

Awwww - Not at all! Just into green women!!!

[theGeekKing]

Originally Posted by kevin

A-Ha!! But the Uhura got her assignment changed!!

So if they had been assigned to the same ship, Uhura got moved - so Gaila couldn't have been on the Enterprise and if she was on another ship was destroyed with it!

I was suggesting just that very thing with that one. I was showing the wide range of things that smile could mean, both those that support my theory, those that don't, and a few oddballs that are completely theory-neutral

Which would explain Uhura's anger - 'I thought I slept with Spock for that job'

exactly. this one supports my point, just like the last one supported yours

No, coz all the cadets were being posted to ships - per instructions from the Academy dude.

at least one person was posted to Regula I. hardly a vacation paradise, but proof that not everyone was sent to Vulcan.

I hope she got to 'bunk' before they got blown up.

again, one more that was neutral to the concept of her survival. my point was not to use the smile as evidence on my behalf, merely to deny it as evidence for anyone, thus leaving us w/ none.

though, honestly, with what they later did on Regula I, it might have been the best place to send an Orion.

[theGeekKing]

Originally Posted by kevin

Awwww - Not at all! Just into green women!!!

actually, I've never been into green women. I used to be the guy who mocked all his friends who were. I always preferred blue alien women, and half-klingons ( Blood Fever was the ONLY good episode of Voyager, as well as B'elanna the only reason to watch any of the other episodes ) .

oddly, I also tend to be against redheads.

not sure quite what happened here.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by kevin

Well, ok - for you she's alive and well

For me, she's toast. Maybe if she's alive she'll pop up in the sequel

As before!

[lonstar70]

Originally Posted by jtrek79

harve benett did a good job,but when it comes down to star trek 5,he was the one who said:star trek 5 is better than star trek 4 just before it came out (watch the star trek V dvd extras) JJ abrams is by far the strongest person ever took command of the franchise,and if u dont believe me,then believe the box office

I'm not disagreeing at all. My whole point of this thread was to wave off the fanboys (of which I am one) from suddenly decrying "Bring back Nick Meyers!!!" And I say, why? What's the point? This movie isn't broken, so let's not try and fix it by reminiscing about a director who did a perfect film 28 years ago. Keep, JJ, or let him hand it off to a competent director.Plus, it's not always a director's fault a movie flops. ANyone ever heard of a good script? Let's concentrate on that first.

[kevin]

I don't think Abrams direction was the problem in the least - certainly the script could have been more though.

[lonstar70]

Originally Posted by samwiseb

I don't think either Harve Bennett nor Nick Meyer were complete without the other, at least not initially. Bennett had more respect for the history, but he couldn't bring to ST the literacy of Meyer. Bennett had the story for STII, but he didn't have a working script. On the other hand, Bennett was more restrained and knew how to end the movie (whether they were actually going to bring Spock back or not).

Bennet was able to write III, and he understood that in order to bring Spock back it had to almost not be worth it (dramatically speaking). Still, the movie cheats in a way, and I'm right with Meyer when he said "Having seen it, I still don't believe it. But whatever, Spock is back." IV couldn't have worked without Meyer, but again Bennett was right (against Meyer's protests), in that they needed an extended epilogue to wrap up the subplots from III.

For VI, I think Meyer's movie (not Bennett's prequel) was the right movie to make at that time... especially after V had permanently weakened the TOS movie franchise. I don't find VI any more heavy-handed than Trek, by tradition, already was.

For a long-running franchise like this, you gotta have balls as well as brains and heart. If you don't have the balls (properly restrained) to assert your creative license, your franchise is already stagnant.

> IV couldn't have worked without Meyer< Meyer had nothing to do with ST:4. I may be wrong, if so, show me a link, please sir.

[lonstar70]

Originally Posted by kevin

Because in the hanger sequence ALL the cadets were being assigned to ships responding to the Vulcan emergency. I believe she was assigned to either the USS Farragut or USS Hood - either way her reaction appeared to be she was excited to go to whichever ship she was assigned to.

And all the other ships were destroyed.

Therefore - she's either destroyed or (possibly) floating in a pod somewhere. I go with dead. Since the Enterprise didn't pick up any Starfleet survivors.

She went to the Farragut, where Uhura was SUPPOSED to go.