[AyanEva]

Originally Posted by Star Trek Viewer

The Federation President would probably not be able to validly authorize the destruction of that vessel. It hasn't done anything wrong. You cannot kill people who haven't done anything wrong (yet?). Shades of that movie about futurecrime (I can't remember the name of it). Or at least you'd have to give them a trial and see if Khan did do the things he was accused of doing during the Eugenics War.

Ah, good point. Prison planet then.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Star Trek Viewer

But his actions in Star Trek II threatened the entire galaxy -- remember the Genesis "weapon"?

No, Khan had no real understanding of what he had with Genesis. He was not threatening the Galaxy with it and it didn't have the power to threaten it anyway.

At most, Khan could have devastated one planet with it - and that wasn't even his intention. He just had a really big bomb.

What about "All Good Things..."?

He was making a point to Picard about possibilities and again - how precisely does the Federation protect against omnipotence? Q can do as he pleases without the Federation being able to do a single thing to stop him.

Spock presumably knows all about the Voyager's journeys, since they occurred in his past. He probably reads Starfleet journals. The Voyager was also in the news when it returned.

Again, how is a Delta Quadrant problem to be solved by the Alpha Quadrant a century earlier?

How about genetic engineering? They can probably recreate entire species by the 23d Century.

Possibly, but not needed immediately.

Actually, the Q introduced the Borg in the 24th Century, but couldn't they do so sooner? And even if not, why not use the time to prepare?

You have to find a Q first. And unless Federation expansion increases a lot, they won't attract the Q's attention for another Century.

Therefore, why build ships and weapons that will have to wait a century to be used?

[Venger]

Kahn only killed a handful of people on the original E. I don't think he poses a great threat to worry about. Unless you want to find him and kill/imprison him for something he may or may not do in the future.

[mmoore]

Originally Posted by Venger

I wish people would structure their posts in that there can only be one timeline or multiple timelines. If there can only be one then by all means we can talk about changing things in the past and altering the future, Old ST/New ST. If there are multiple timelines then nothing is the same and will progess differently or won't, depending on which timeline you're in. Why do people keep droning on about this will happen and that will happen becuase it happened in the original time line. This is an ALTERNATE timeline and things do not/may not/will not have to happen again like they did before.

And in reference to the villians, Annorax was with the Krenim Imperium in the Voyager - Year of Hell episodes. He was using temporal incursions to alter the space time continuum to bring his dead wife back. But, tada, one little thing here and there kept throwing things off and wouldn't allow the continuum to align the way he wanted with things being different each time and never allowing him to find that one moment that would allow him to restore his wife.

I wouldn't worry too much about Annorax. Last time anyone saw him he was wrestling with Bob Pinciotti.

[Yagami Crewman]

Originally Posted by Star Trek Viewer

I like this idea. But where would you find them?



I think that Q seems basically like the Norse god Loki -- a mischief maker. However, he could pose a serious threat, as well. Remember "All Good Things..."? Don't you think his threat was real -- to put an end to our trek through the stars?



Does this mean that we don't launch the USS Voyager on its mission at all in a century or so?



Or they could genetically engineer some whales.



If they can locate Khan, that is. Remember that they encountered his ship by mistake.

Genetic Engineering whales would kill you even quicker. The probe wants a conversation. Genetically engineered whales wouldn't even know the language without a teacher.

Finding Khan... I'm sure that the original discovery point was identified in the Enterprise astronavigation logs.

For Annorax... Truth is all they can do is put a note in the database about what might be known if anything about it. Too many factors concerning the Voyager mission are in flux.

Species 8472. Since I don't think they gave Janeway a contact number. "Don't call us, we'll call you." all that can be done is to note they exist in fluidic space, are intelligent. are Borg resistant and can either be friendly or very hostile.

Q: You just have to keep smiling and roll with the punches.

[Star Trek Viewer]

Originally Posted by Yagami Crewman

Genetic Engineering whales would kill you even quicker. The probe wants a conversation. Genetically engineered whales wouldn't even know the language without a teacher.

Excellent point!

Finding Khan... I'm sure that the original discovery point was identified in the Enterprise astronavigation logs.

Except that the logs don't exist yet. Would Spock remember the exact coordinates? He's getting old.

For Annorax... Truth is all they can do is put a note in the database about what might be known if anything about it. Too many factors concerning the Voyager mission are in flux.

Annorax could actually erase this timeline!

Species 8472. Since I don't think they gave Janeway a contact number. "Don't call us, we'll call you." all that can be done is to note they exist in fluidic space, are intelligent. are Borg resistant and can either be friendly or very hostile.

Yes... quite interesting, and yet they are out there. Perhaps they need to look into finding out more about fluidic space.

Q: You just have to keep smiling and roll with the punches.

True.... But recall that there are other Q in the Continuum. Perhaps they could be contacted? (But how?)

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Yagami Crewman

Genetic Engineering whales would kill you even quicker. The probe wants a conversation. Genetically engineered whales wouldn't even know the language without a teacher.

Interesting.

For Annorax... Truth is all they can do is put a note in the database about what might be known if anything about it. Too many factors concerning the Voyager mission are in flux.

Did 'Year of Hell' establish Annorax's influence extended that far? If it did then the only way to deal with it is to deliberately ensure Voyager gets pulled to the Delta Quadrant.

Species 8472. Since I don't think they gave Janeway a contact number. "Don't call us, we'll call you." all that can be done is to note they exist in fluidic space, are intelligent. are Borg resistant and can either be friendly or very hostile.

Motto - don't go looking for trouble if it hasn't found you and you can't beat them anyway.

[Star Trek Viewer]

Originally Posted by kevin

Interesting.



Did 'Year of Hell' establish Annorax's influence extended that far? If it did then the only way to deal with it is to deliberately ensure Voyager gets pulled to the Delta Quadrant.



Motto - don't go looking for trouble if it hasn't found you and you can't beat them anyway.

I think that Annorax's temporal weapon could change the flow of history for the entire universe... couldn't it?

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Star Trek Viewer

I think that Annorax's temporal weapon could change the flow of history for the entire universe... couldn't it?

Well it's probably about 8 years since I saw that episode anyway but I don't recall if a sphere of influence was determined.

Anyway, the only way to deal with it remains ensuring that the USS Voyager is built and gets pulled into the Delta Quadrant in order to encounter him.

Of course, then you have to say - does Starfleet tell the crew that before they leave on the mission? Do they give the crew the option to withdraw if it means 7 years (and for some of them, death) out there, and if some do decide not to go, if you change the crew, do you change the outcome?

Very unpredictable.

[celticarchie]

Lock Spock Prime in an asylum for loony-wibbly-wobbley Vulcan fossils.

Resign office. Retired to tropical island with drinks in hollowed out pineapples and many bikini-clad women in true Zef Cochrane tradition.

PRESIDENT ME: Kirk, where'd you pick up that old fossil?
KIRK: Spock-timus Prime is a great man!
PRESIDENT ME: Yeah, great at getting us into trouble!