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Old 05-29-2009, 09:38 AM
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I think that Spock Prime is going to end up dying. (probably before he get to share much of his knowledge.) It only makes sense.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:40 AM
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None of the above. He's busy getting his hair done.

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Old 05-29-2009, 10:02 AM
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I wish people would structure their posts in that there can only be one timeline or multiple timelines. If there can only be one then by all means we can talk about changing things in the past and altering the future, Old ST/New ST. If there are multiple timelines then nothing is the same and will progess differently or won't, depending on which timeline you're in. Why do people keep droning on about this will happen and that will happen becuase it happened in the original time line. This is an ALTERNATE timeline and things do not/may not/will not have to happen again like they did before.

And in reference to the villians, Annorax was with the Krenim Imperium in the Voyager - Year of Hell episodes. He was using temporal incursions to alter the space time continuum to bring his dead wife back. But, tada, one little thing here and there kept throwing things off and wouldn't allow the continuum to align the way he wanted with things being different each time and never allowing him to find that one moment that would allow him to restore his wife.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:12 AM
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AyanEva, I don't think Q is necessarily "avoidable." He seemed to seek Picard and Co. out, and I think that, even if the Federation avoids Farpoint Station, Q will find some other dilemma to harass Jean Luc.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:15 AM
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The Borg: Seek out species 8472. They are not afraid of the Borg and only as a unit saw humanity as a threat after it appeared humans had allied with the Borg.

Species 8472: See above. Peaceful contact IS possible.

Q: Not much you can do. Yes give command officers the smart retort class, but also boxing lessons. How many times did Q bug Sisko? ONE!

Annorax: Stay out of his (and the Krenim Imperium's ) way until this flying Dutchman eventually does himself in.

Whale Probe: Yep... Hurry and get some Whales from the 20th century!

Khan... Drag the sleeper ship to a better surveyed habital and unoccupied planet. Wake them up under heavy guard. Oh... And place a friggin warning buoy in orbit and well noted in the general database... OR just blow him up while he's still asleep.

See? No big deal.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:23 AM
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The Borg: Seek out species 8472. They are not afraid of the Borg and only as a unit saw humanity as a threat after it appeared humans had allied with the Borg.

Species 8472: See above. Peaceful contact IS possible.
I like this idea. But where would you find them?

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Q: Not much you can do. Yes give command officers the smart retort class, but also boxing lessons. How many times did Q bug Sisko? ONE!
I think that Q seems basically like the Norse god Loki -- a mischief maker. However, he could pose a serious threat, as well. Remember "All Good Things..."? Don't you think his threat was real -- to put an end to our trek through the stars?

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Annorax: Stay out of his (and the Krenim Imperium's ) way until this flying Dutchman eventually does himself in.
Does this mean that we don't launch the USS Voyager on its mission at all in a century or so?

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Whale Probe: Yep... Hurry and get some Whales from the 20th century!
Or they could genetically engineer some whales.

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Khan... Drag the sleeper ship to a better surveyed habital and unoccupied planet. Wake them up under heavy guard. Oh... And place a friggin warning buoy in orbit and well noted in the general database... OR just blow him up while he's still asleep.

See? No big deal.
If they can locate Khan, that is. Remember that they encountered his ship by mistake.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:28 AM
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If you were President of the United Federation of Planets right after the events of this movie, and Spock Prime had shared with you knowledge of just a few of the most important threats to occur in the future, what would you do?

Remember that the following threats are probably still threats regardless of the fact that you are in an alternate reality:

1. The Borg.
2. The Q.
3. Species 8472.
4. Annorax.
5. The Whale Probe from Star Trek IV.

And many others.

Also, at this point, Khan is still aboard his sleeper ship. What should be done about that?
Khan is minor - you don't have to do anything about him.

The Q are no major threat and what exact defence against them is there period?

Species 8472 and Annorax are a Delta Quadrant problem - if Voyager never goes there you have no problem in the Alpha. How does Spock know of them?

Unless you can find Humpback whales it's not something you can do anything about except go back in time earlier and steal them again.

The only one left is the Borg.

Who will arrive at some point a Century away. No point in creating defences right now. Prepare nearer the time.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:31 AM
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AyanEva, I don't think Q is necessarily "avoidable." He seemed to seek Picard and Co. out, and I think that, even if the Federation avoids Farpoint Station, Q will find some other dilemma to harass Jean Luc.
Probably but they might be able to put it off for a little bit.

Actually, the mess with Nero might pique Q's interest even sooner... Sucks for them!

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Does this mean that we don't launch the USS Voyager on its mission at all in a century or so?


If they can locate Khan, that is. Remember that they encountered his ship by mistake.
-Make sure they don't go near the Caretaker or whoever it was that shunted them to the Delta Quadrant (I didn't bother watching much of Voyager, so I'm hazy on details here).

-If Spock can remember where they ran into Khan's ship, they can just
travel to that spot. The timeline alteration shouldn't have changed anything relating to Khan or where his sleeper ship is, so it should be at the expected place at the expected time. Just backtrack its trajectory so you can find it earlier and then destroy the ship.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:41 AM
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Khan is minor - you don't have to do anything about him.
But his actions in Star Trek II threatened the entire galaxy -- remember the Genesis "weapon"?

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The Q are no major threat and what exact defence against them is there period?
What about "All Good Things..."?

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Species 8472 and Annorax are a Delta Quadrant problem - if Voyager never goes there you have no problem in the Alpha. How does Spock know of them?
Spock presumably knows all about the Voyager's journeys, since they occurred in his past. He probably reads Starfleet journals. The Voyager was also in the news when it returned.

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Unless you can find Humpback whales it's not something you can do anything about except go back in time earlier and steal them again.
How about genetic engineering? They can probably recreate entire species by the 23d Century.

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The only one left is the Borg.

Who will arrive at some point a Century away. No point in creating defences right now. Prepare nearer the time.
Actually, the Q introduced the Borg in the 24th Century, but couldn't they do so sooner? And even if not, why not use the time to prepare?
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:42 AM
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Probably but they might be able to put it off for a little bit.

Actually, the mess with Nero might pique Q's interest even sooner... Sucks for them!



-Make sure they don't go near the Caretaker or whoever it was that shunted them to the Delta Quadrant (I didn't bother watching much of Voyager, so I'm hazy on details here).

-If Spock can remember where they ran into Khan's ship, they can just
travel to that spot. The timeline alteration shouldn't have changed anything relating to Khan or where his sleeper ship is, so it should be at the expected place at the expected time. Just backtrack its trajectory so you can find it earlier and then destroy the ship.
The Federation President would probably not be able to validly authorize the destruction of that vessel. It hasn't done anything wrong. You cannot kill people who haven't done anything wrong (yet?). Shades of that movie about futurecrime (I can't remember the name of it). Or at least you'd have to give them a trial and see if Khan did do the things he was accused of doing during the Eugenics War.
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