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Old 06-03-2009, 04:37 PM
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I'd second (or, is it third) the idea of making the sexuality a background issue in a general fan fiction aimed at all audiences. Of course, a great deal of Star Trek fan fiction is quite explicit and in such a fic, sexuality is very important. Iindeed, it's often the only point to the story. There is a category: PWP which means either Plot? What Plot? or (this is the one I prefer because it's more obvious) Porn Without Plot.
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Old 06-04-2009, 07:29 AM
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Slash is a beautiful thing and I've enjoyed reading it for about 10 years now. I still remember the first time I came across the concept: it was in the X-Files fandom (Mulder/Krycek, Mulder/Skinner). But back then all I was interested in was Mulder/Scully so I didn't pay much attention to anything else.

As I mentioned in another related thread, I was never able to read any TOS slash fanfics... I think it has to do with how iconic those characters always have been for me and I'm seriously having trouble imagining them in very graphic sexual situations. But strangely enough, I have no problem at all doing this with the new cast. Hell no!

The only thing that bothers me regarding slash fanfiction is that some of the women (most of them, actually) who enjoy reading and/or writing it are literally "anti-het", for lack of a better word. What I mean is, even though I enjoy slash, as a heterosexual female I also enjoy reading about male/female pairings. But some heterosexual women will strictly read slash and litterally turn their nose up at het stories... I just don't understand how that works. It's as though they are rejecting their own sexuality in some way.
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Old 06-04-2009, 04:53 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts there folks.

I would say that in the written medium you do miss the sub-text of body language and subtly of performance, however you can gain more insight to the character's thoughts and feelings.

My intent would be to portray the characters how I feel they should have been portrayed in the shows. We know from GR that in the 23/24th Centuries of the Star Trek Universe the prejudice and bigotry of our time has been abandoned, and so people aren't judged on their sexuality. I think both the studio and producers have used that as an excuse to leave the subject alone, instead of thinking of it as a challenge.

As I see it the thing is to introduce the characters and make the audience care about them, develop them over a period of time with only subtle hints to their sexuality, leading to a point where a romantic relationship has to be acknowledged by the story, here is where the reaction of the rest of the crew is important. For me, after a week of a very hostile school environment, it was a relief to see a future where people got along and the only conflict that arose between them was out of concern for a character from another.

I have two plot lines in mind at the moment. One for the girls and one for the boys. The first is a triangle idea between three female friends, character A and B were a couple, however character B is either dead or gone "Voyager Style" missing. While character A is trying to put her feelings back together, character C is also trying to keep her feelings for character A under control (hmm, yeah right!)

The other is a "simple" love story between two men, told in subplots over a number of episodes. This one I haven't defined as much yet, partially because I haven't decided on which of my characters I want to use, plus I might need to create another, and also because developing their relationship as the stories grow may lead to a more interesting tale.
Also this fanfic is not going to be just about character relationships, like a Star Trek: The Soap Opera.(eek!) Plenty of Sci-Fi, exploration, drama, action, mystery, explosions etc...

I got more to say on the subject, but that's the ideas for now...
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:33 PM
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Hey, PM me if you want. I've written a couple of Star Trek slash stories and I've beta'd more. I'd be happy to beta for you.
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The only thing that bothers me regarding slash fanfiction is that some of the women (most of them, actually) who enjoy reading and/or writing it are literally "anti-het", for lack of a better word. What I mean is, even though I enjoy slash, as a heterosexual female I also enjoy reading about male/female pairings. But some heterosexual women will strictly read slash and litterally turn their nose up at het stories... I just don't understand how that works. If as though they are rejecting their own sexuality in some way.
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Don't you think that the "forbidden" nature of the relationships is what some of the readers and writers of this material find so attractive? I pretty much enjoy any of this, het or gay oriented... I just want to know that it's well written enough to keep me mesmerized by the story/action. It's no real secret that it's not so much what's going on in these stories, (that's pretty standard) as much as who is doing it, and with whom.

BTW, to the poster who defined "PWP"... thanks for that! I now know what I'm going to name my DV production company for an upcoming film race! "PWP Productions"! It has a nice ring to it!

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Old 06-10-2009, 09:37 PM
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Oh...so now, I'm "the other poster".....

I'm pretty much willing to read anything if it's reasonably well written. My only exception is Spock/Chapel...I've read a couple...I still hate the concept. Spock/Uhura has been a favored pairing for years (probably why it was so welcome in the new movie).

Lady Vaako, are you sure it's not just your perception of the age of the characters that's squicking you on the original cast? Because...you know, all of them had at least one episode where it was heavily suggested sex had happened. Kirk had quite a few, Spock had two really obvious ones (in one, it was so good he apparently trashed his uniform, right down to his boots!) and McCoy had one we sort of assume by virtue of the time frame....so, sex was happening. I've noticed that some younger (than my 50) fans view the original cast as quite old. They are often surprised when it's pointed out that Kirk is 34. And....lots of people get squicked at the idea of old people having sex.
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Don't you think that the "forbidden" nature of the relationships is what some of the readers and writers of this material find so attractive? I pretty much enjoy any of this, het or gay oriented... I just want to know that it's well written enough to keep me mesmerized by the story/action. It's no real secret that it's not so much what's going on in these stories, (that's pretty standard) as much as who is doing it, and with whom.
I agree with you on almost everything. I also love the "forbidden" aspect of slash, especially the sexual images of two manly men pleasuring each other in that fashion that some of those stories often conjure up. And just like you I read Het as well and I can enjoy it just as much.... I guess some women don't find it arousing at all but non-withstanding the forbidden aspect that's basically non-existent in Het (unless it's something like incest, for example), it just doesn't compute...
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Lady Vaako, are you sure it's not just your perception of the age of the characters that's squicking you on the original cast?
Nope, because I'm 40 which makes me older than all of them were in TOS except for McCoy who was about my age back then. I guess I could read some Het with Spock in it, but not slash and I wouldn't want it to be too graphic (even though I usually like the stories to be very sexually explicit). Gah... hopefully I'll get over it eventually. Also, I actually have the same problem with the TNG crew... *sighs*
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If you ever decide to try, I think Spock/McCoy sort of works as a "foot in the door" because they always argued like an old married couple anyway. It's possible to write stories that follow the episodes, including dialogue, very closely but yet are "slash".
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Lady Vaako,

I think it boils down to what appeals to the individual. For everything that you've stated you don't like about a particular type of story, I can tell you that there's probably someone else for whom it's their favorite. Different strokes, as they say.

Me? I'm just happy with the idea that SOMEONE is injecting some sexuality into Trek, one way or another. As I said before, I think the franchise has become room temperature soup in this regaurd lately. This fact is something that I think is one of the bigger changes from Star Trek's original concept: back in TOS, there was romance and sex pretty much everywhere. (Even in Gene's unsold pilots like Genisis II, Questor and Spectre, there was a strong undercurrent of sexuality present.) So I think this "gelding" of the franchise is something the fans sense, and are trying to correct by taking matters into their own hands... (as it were.)
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