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Old 05-29-2009, 02:19 PM
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Thanks for setting me staight (if that's the right word) on slash writers demographics. I own a few of the early, early examples of this fiction, but my main exposure to it is through a book by Katherine Gates called "Deviant Desires." It has a chapter on "Kinky Fandoms" and also has a long interview with BNF Cecilia Tan.

I've known this stuff was out there for years, but I've never really gotten into it, (nothing judgemental... just not my cup of tea... I'm not into fantasizing about things that can't actually happen) except perhaps for some of the slashy artwork I've seen at various con art shows.

As for the written stuff, as I've said, a lot of it is pretty badly done. (But you could say that about 95% of all fannish fiction, not just the erotica.) As I've said though, some of the better stories I've had reccommended to me were really quite moving. It's not surprising that some of those same writers have gone on to write actual Trek novels.
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Great explanation, Eliza. So in a nutshell, slash is often about "ships".

"Hey, buddy, I wrote some ship-slash."
Ship porn.....hey, it's Star Trek.

Most of the Star Trek stuff is pretty tame when compared to the Harry Potter stories. What with one of the characters being a werewolf and one being able to transform into a dog...well...you can imagine...
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From The Love Guru:

Guru Tugginmypuddha: Maurice, you are not of Indian blood. Speak of your parents.

Maurice: Well, my parents are dead. They were both missionaries.

Guru Tugginmypuddha: And what did they do before that?

Maurice: They were dog stylists.

Guru Tugginmypuddha: So let me see if I get this straight. They were into doggie style before choosing the missionary position? (laughs)

(sorry, couldn't resist with the Harry Potter dog/werewolf reference)
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Bullship!
I guess the pseudo-Espanol translation for that would be:

Toro cargo?
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Are you open to fan fiction as a general concept? Because there are sites that are strictly "non sexual" but let the fans take the characters and run.

I have to sort of laugh at your Sam/Frodo thing...because...I really think that concept would not be out there if the Kirk/Spock thing hadn't taken such a big hold on the imagination of the masses (again...not my ship).
I'm open to fan fiction. I love new stories with familiar characters.

The Sam and Frodo thing... well, I just got a strange, "they look like lovers" feeling when I saw certain scenes in part 3. Then I read that other people felt the same way. I've never read the books, but I also heard that the Hobbits were supposed to be a more loving type species, so it is not "gay" for two men Hobits to have a close and "loving" relationship. I can buy that. It's not like they made out!!
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MrQ....this is a good place to start. Orion Press Excellent fan run site with lots of "real universe" information and stories that are consistent with the canon material and nothing out of character.
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I think fanfiction in all it's forms is great. If Star Trek is inspiring creativity in any of it's fans I'm all for it. If there is relationships that weren't explored, situations that never happened, history that wasn't defined.

When I'm writing fanfiction I tend to take the "formula" of Trek and populate it with my own characters. There is multiple reasons for this, but basically, it's that I'm not that comfortable writing for the established characters, as people have many different opinions about them. If it's my own character then I can do anything with that character, there is no "external template" on which an audience can judge the character.

Actually, I am currently developing my own fanfic at the moment and I want to include gay/lesbian character(s), to balance what I feel has been an injustice to the G/L Trek fans out there and I have some research questions.

Are there any cliché gay/lesbian plot lines/characters you would rather not see?

What character traits would you like the characters to have?

Anything else you can think of that might help me build the characters and make them feel real?

Feel free to let me know via PM.
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Actually, I am currently developing my own fanfic at the moment and I want to include gay/lesbian character(s), to balance what I feel has been an injustice to the G/L Trek fans out there and I have some research questions.

Are there any cliché gay/lesbian plot lines/characters you would rather not see?

What character traits would you like the characters to have?

Anything else you can think of that might help me build the characters and make them feel real?

Feel free to let me know via PM.
Although probably a little more difficult to convey in the written medium, as opposed to the visual, it's best to have the G/L/B characters' sexual preferences seem innocuous....in the background as it were. The story should emphasize more on what the characters are capable of, and the valuable contributions they might make to their society, or their crew, or whatever collective they are a part of. You don't want to go making a big deal "I'm gay, hear me roar!" statement out of their orientation. The best thing to do (IMVHO) is simply to introduce their orientation as if it were an innocuous matter of fact. It's more important to focus on the character's merits and flaws....although their personal romantic life could have some influence at some point on part of the story, again, it's not something you'd want to over emphasize.....other wise it comes across sounding like a "TONIGHT--on a very special episode of STAR TREK JOURNEYS"...

The reason I associate it better in a visual medium is....well...take this set up for an example scene that I wrote for something taking place in the Next Generation era of Star Trek.

Ok, first lets assume that we've established several of the main characters, including one Lt. Bryce, (Chief Engineer of a Galaxy class starship).
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INT. USS ARUBA --Ten Forward

(We are treated to a sweeping panoramic view of the large social hub known as Ten Forward. As our view travels through the room, we see Dr. Jaxom having a nip of Canar after what seems to have been a particularly foul day in Sick Bay. Continuing on we see Commander T'shala engaged in a rather well progressed game of Three Dimensional Chess against Ensign Sulam. Sulam seems slightly pleased with himself, having taken his fellow elder Vulcan so far in the game, although, of course, Sulam's doing his best not to let it show. Sweeping further through Ten Forward, we see Lt. Bryce and another male officer at a table near the vista windows. They're holding hands, just talking. About what, we don't know, but they seem happy. Continuing on, we see a group of junior officers at one table, playing a pleasant round of poker. One ensign seems particularly content with the amount of chips amassed before her. Finally the view settles on Captain Jaworski, who stares pensively out the far vista port. Commander Beltrami approaches Jaworski, awaiting the captain's notice.)

JAWORSKI: (As if sensing his X.O.'s presence) Do you ever feel, Commander, that no matter how far along we've come in our exploration of the cosmos, that we are still just so small, and so petty in our collective stature that it's amazing anything else out there could've possibly taken notice of us on the galactic stage?

BELTRAMI: Not all the time, sir. Only when I need a humble reminder.

--------- scene goes on-------


Anyways....at this point, you see what I mean? Lt. Bryce's sexual orientation is introduced in such a way that it is not going to be some "banner moment" or have some big flashing neon sign saying: "I'M GAY!!!!!! (raspberry)". It's just a fact of life for the lieutenant...something that clearly his fellows have no issue at all with, since obviously being gay in the 24th century is not some social taboo among most worlds of the Federation.

These are only my thoughts, but I hope they helped.
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Actually, I am currently developing my own fanfic at the moment and I want to include gay/lesbian character(s), to balance what I feel has been an injustice to the G/L Trek fans out there and I have some research questions.

Are there any cliché gay/lesbian plot lines/characters you would rather not see?

Anything involving Kirk and Spock stranded somewhere, and Spock going into Pon'Farr. That, and no "Harry Mudd" subplots, please.

What character traits would you like the characters to have?

Just make 'em awesome!

Anything else you can think of that might help me build the characters and make them feel real?

Simple. Once you have written your "gay or lesbian" characters, try reading it again, but changing them into straight characters. If their behavior seems "right" for them in that context, then you probably have it correct.

Feel free to let me know via PM.
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