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Old 05-20-2009, 03:42 PM
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This is an obvious NO.
This is far short of his standards of cerebral which was his nature. That's not even a POV room on this. This is Abrams Star Trek.

He said others would have a crack at Trek...but he didn't say he'd like what ever they did.
how does this differ from TOS?
how many times will the word cerebral be used on this form just because it was once used to describe "The Cage"?
if there can be no "POV" on this then freedom has died.
Roddenberry never said he wouldn't like it, did he?
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:46 PM
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Have you seen the Movie?
Hello (echo)
Is anyone in there?

Come'on, Jim...This doesn't take a genius.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:49 PM
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Depends on whether or not he considered his style a work-in-progress. I doubt anybody truly knows and people will believe what they want... even tho some will insist they do.
I agree. Also, different people will interpret Gene's intended vision in slightly different ways.

I say "yes" this movie is Roddenberry-style Trek because that's how I interpret it. Other people will say "no" because they interpret it differently. I'm not sure one opinion can be said to be more valid than the other because there's a level of subjectivity to the question.

I'll still argue for "yes" until the cows come home, though.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:52 PM
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Have you seen the Movie?
Hello (echo)
Is anyone in there?

Come'on, Jim...This doesn't take a genius.
are you actually going to answer or just continue to avoid doing so?
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:59 PM
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Avoidance, Jim, would require me to not know or to deny the The Cage as Gene's vision as you've done and pretend that it in resembles this Star Trek movie.

That would be avoidance.
I already know your response, Jim....so let's cut to the chase.
Things are not as you see them....

Now we don't have to argue.
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Avoidance, Jim, would require me to not know or to deny the The Cage as Gene's vision as you've done and pretend that it in resembles this Star Trek movie.
Agreed that "The Cage" was a cerebral piece and accurately portrayed Gene's vision.

However, keep in mind that "The Cage" was rejected precisely because the networks considered it TOO cerebral for the average viewer. Gene did not respond to that by refusing to compromise his creative genius. If he had, none of us would have had the opportunity to enjoy Trek all these years. In fact, what Gene did was to "dumb down" his brainchild so he could get it out there in front of an audience who would watch it.

In this respect, the current incarnation is doing the same thing. You can argue that it has "dumbed down" Trek, and you are probably correct; however the alternative was no Trek at all, just as Gene faced in 1965. We know what his choice was then; do you really think it would be different today?
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:13 PM
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Avoidance, Jim, would require me to not know or to deny the The Cage as Gene's vision as you've done and pretend that it in resembles this Star Trek movie.

That would be avoidance.
I already know your response, Jim....so let's cut to the chase.
Things are not as you see them....

Now we don't have to argue.
so you don't accept TOS as Gene's vision then because he had to make small adjustments.
strange that. I always though he was quite proud of it.
"Things are not as I see them" - please explain this? what is it that I see?
tell me what I should think?
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I will go on record also as saying that if "Encounter at Farpoint" was also Gene's vision (and it was), then I am somewhat glad the franchise grew away from him. Being flogged to death with a moral every time I watch a show isn't my idea of good entertainment. "Encounter" turned me off of TNG for a long time - long enough for the show to have ended before I found out that the later episodes were not like that one.
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:17 PM
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Trek is definitely a conglomeration of Gene's vision and the Network preasure.
But notice that Gene still tried to push that vision in the Motion Picture. He never gave up on it. He tried again with TNG's encounter at Farpoint. He again attempted to address super power or higher powers in DS9's opener.

But I'm okay with Gene's trek and the company's view too...but I want a halfway point.
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Trek will always be more thinking than other contemporary Sci-Fi like Aliens and Predator, and the like. I think that the deeper episodes in all of the TREK series has borne out that there will always be issues that TREK will address. The world we now live in will always be reflected by the media we watch. Sometimes it will be a lot of fluff, maybe a bunch of action with little food for thought, and likewise there will always be writers who will challenge us with stories that make us question our own existence, and the meanings of our lives.
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