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Old 05-20-2009, 09:55 AM
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bsg is good,but trek is cinematicaly , and artisticly superior
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:56 AM
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Well yeah...they treated it like a real movie.
Real action
Real awesome special effects

They also gave it a substantial marketing budget which likly was a good portion of that 150 million.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:58 AM
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Any film could be "better", I think they made a great movie first, as great Trek film second. JJ tried really hard not to step all over established canon by having an alternate timeline, whic has ben a Trek staple since 1966.

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There is a difference between hurlding an obstical like "canon"...and going around it.

JJ...went around it...
How hard was that really?
Not very.
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:01 AM
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Apparently something has changed for this "mediocre" film compare to previous, or else why would this movie already a major hit after less than two weeks in theaters while others "medicore" Star Trek were getting their mediocre results (again, viewship, $$$)?

Can't speak for the new BSG. I never watched even the originals. I have just been a die hard Star Trek fan because of the quality of plot and the technical emphasis on ships and command structures. And I see every bit in this new movie. The added actions and technology is a major welcome also!

Actually, I tend to think being a major hit points to a film's mediocrity. Let's face it though, we shouldn't pretend this new Trek movie is anything too exciting. I liked it a lot, and the reboot has the potential to turn into something great, but it's a pretty basic action flick set in space.

But please, let's not use sales figures to demonstrate quality--all strong box office numbers indicate is that the film appeals to a lot of people. One look at the Billboard Hot 100 or the New York Times bestseller list will show that best selling anythings tend to be middle of the road and safe--both of which honestly describe nu-Trek.
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:01 AM
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I'm like some folks here who frequently read but never post anything, but now just had get thoughts of others on an observation. I just have one question to ask ALL ST fans, new and old, purist or progressive: do you guys feel like we collectively are playing out similar to the feeling of actors in the TUC movie (The Undiscovered Country), which presumably portray real life situations? Most embrace change, while few have fear and "stand to lose" from the change (peace in TUC). I think the "stand to lose" can apply to those fans fearing lost or change to the parts of the Star Trek that they loved and held on dear?

In a way, this new film is taking this "Star Trek Nation" to an "Undiscovered" territory....

Thoughts?

Background: I was born on same year TOS started on film. Loved all movies from both TOS and TNG crew. I watched many TOS episodes here and there, and most of TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. I embrace the and appreciate the themes of each. Personally I liked DS9 the least but still loved some episodes. And I love Star Trek more than Star Wars for sure..and I still love this movie and watched it 6 times already!
It's an interesting way of thinking about it. And perhaps so. This films represents change so how people react to change may very well influence their general reaction.

Me - I go with fact that change happens whether you necessarily like it or not. You either go with it or get flattened as it rolls over you.

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Yeah Trek has been mediocre for a long time.
But what has changed?

Can you honestly put this Trek up there with the new BSG?
Can you put any Trek, past or present, up there with the new BSG? It's a different type of story they tell.
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:02 AM
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One look at the Billboard Hot 100 or the New York Times bestseller list will show that best selling anythings tend to be middle of the road and safe--both of which honestly describe nu-Trek.
Then it's just like old Trek!
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Zardoz...
There is a difference between hurlding an obstical like "canon"...and going around it.

JJ...went around it...
How hard was that really?
Not very.
It was a big risk actually. Could have backfired easily. If he had changed canon, fans would be screaming for his blood. Trek is full of alternate realities, what's one more?
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Yeah Trek has been mediocre for a long time.
But what has changed?

Can you honestly put this Trek up there with the new BSG?
LOL comparing ANY trek to BSG is just plain stupid. The BEST Trek episodes from any of the series are right around the absolute bottom barrel worst eps from BSG and it's best episodes like 33 are playing in a completely different league.

Not exactly a fit comparison.
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:17 AM
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Can you put any Trek, past or present, up there with the new BSG? It's a different type of story they tell.
There are some episodes that get as good but never excell over BSG...that's the point...

It's not the story and how it differs.
It's how good the story is told.
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There are some episodes that get as good but never excell over BSG...that's the point...
Exactly, put bluntly BSG walks over Trek.
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