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Old 05-19-2009, 09:23 PM
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The Enterprise and it's crew have saved not only the Earth, but the Federation itself. Would the public not show it's appreciation wherever they go? Would not people speak the Enterprise's name and the names of the crew in conversations everywhere? Would they not be able to take shore leave without people wanting to treat them like celebrities? Or is the Federation like our governments and militaries that never tell us anything and would the public not even know they faced certain death if not for Pike, Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the NCC-1701 crew? Is it really realistic to see them not get recognized anywhere but Starfleet Headquarters? The public has got to know Vulcan was destroyed. It's probably the biggest news in the Federation.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:16 PM
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The Enterprise and it's crew have saved not only the Earth, but the Federation itself. Would the public not show it's appreciation wherever they go? Would not people speak the Enterprise's name and the names of the crew in conversations everywhere? Would they not be able to take shore leave without people wanting to treat them like celebrities? Or is the Federation like our governments and militaries that never tell us anything and would the public not even know they faced certain death if not for Pike, Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the NCC-1701 crew? Is it really realistic to see them not get recognized anywhere but Starfleet Headquarters? The public has got to know Vulcan was destroyed. It's probably the biggest news in the Federation.
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The Enterprise and it's crew have saved not only the Earth, but the Federation itself. Would the public not show it's appreciation wherever they go? Would not people speak the Enterprise's name and the names of the crew in conversations everywhere? Would they not be able to take shore leave without people wanting to treat them like celebrities? Or is the Federation like our governments and militaries that never tell us anything and would the public not even know they faced certain death if not for Pike, Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the NCC-1701 crew? Is it really realistic to see them not get recognized anywhere but Starfleet Headquarters? The public has got to know Vulcan was destroyed. It's probably the biggest news in the Federation.
Well, the Federation dedicated a shipyard to George Kirk, so if the Enterprise saved Earth, I doubt they'd keep it a secret. So yeah, celebrity life for the crew I guess.
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Well, the Federation dedicated a shipyard to George Kirk, so if the Enterprise saved Earth, I doubt they'd keep it a secret. So yeah, celebrity life for the crew I guess.
I'm just thinking that if Kirk was having dinner at a restaurant somewhere and some lady told her kid "Do you know who that is? That's Captain Kirk of the starship Enterprise!", the kid would be in absolute awe. People everywhere would be shakingthe crew's hands and thanking them, the Enterprise would probably draw a crowd wherever she docked. Not only because of what they've already done, but if this timelines Kirk proves to be anywhere near as successful as the old timeline's Kirk, their continued success would send their fame within the Federation skyrocketing. The only place they could find any privacy would be on the ship, and on a mission.
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Very interesting idea there Hood. Your premise makes a whole lot of sense when you consider the sudden 'fame' of someone like Capt.'Sully', who saved the lives of so many when he successfully put his airliner down in the Hudson River recently.

I'd like to see that shown in upcoming films. It would be right in line with the 'realistic' approach jj's taking. Very interesting, Hood.
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Very interesting idea there Hood. Your premise makes a whole lot of sense when you consider the sudden 'fame' of someone like Capt.'Sully', who saved the lives of so many when he successfully put his airliner down in the Hudson River recently.

I'd like to see that shown in upcoming films. It would be right in line with the 'realistic' approach jj's taking. Very interesting, Hood.
Yes, a quite similar scenario, only in Kirk's case, in much greater scope. Not to mention that James T. Kirk being the starfleet captain, strategist and hero that he is, and Spock being the legend among Vulcans that he is, this effect would grow exponentially every time news reports surfaced that the Enterprise and it's crew had accomplished anything of any import, or been involved in any successful starfleet operations. This is not an unknown phenomenon in our own Earth history. The U.S.S. Enterprise (CV-6) and the British Battleship H.M.S Warspite were constantly in the news during world war 2 (and in the Warspite's case in World War I she made headlines after the battle of Jutland as well), endearing themselves to their respective publics time after time. This having been the case, it is a wonder that both ships ended their lives ignominously destroyed by their respective governments. In Star Trek there is precedence for this as well as the starfleet admiralty tried a couple of times to get Kirk to bring the honored and storied starship back so she could be decommissioned.
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Indeed. On a different plane, the novelization of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith speaks of how Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker had become the heroes of younglings throughout the galaxy. The narrative said that while parents were trying to comfort their children with the growing crisis, and the great battle in the skies above Coruscant, it was actually the children who were comforting the parents with their hero worship.

"It'll be alright. Obi-Wan and Anakin will be there any minute."

Of course, celebrity was something that neither Jedi really relished.

Back to Trek, yeah, I think it would be nice to see the crew celebrated like that in a future movie.

"Do you know who that is, son?"
"Who, daddy?"
"That's James Tiberius Kirk himself."
And the little kid's jaw drops in amazement.
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That's an interesting idea. We've always seen previous crews are famous, but never really seen the effects of that. Except the media harrassing kirk in generations, and maybe the fireworks on voyagers return anniversary in endgame.
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That's an interesting idea. We've always seen previous crews are famous, but never really seen the effects of that. Except the media harrassing kirk in generations, and maybe the fireworks on voyagers return anniversary in endgame.
Technically, in the novelization to Star Trek: The Motion Picture by Gene Roddenberry in the Admiral Kirk's Preface section the stipulation is that the Enterprise's declassified missions were "chronicled" as larger than life (AKA the television series itself) as a publicity stunt for Starfleet.

I suppose that was Roddenberry's in-universe way or rationalizing the differences between appearances in the series and the movie.
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The Enterprise and it's crew have saved not only the Earth, but the Federation itself. Would the public not show it's appreciation wherever they go? Would not people speak the Enterprise's name and the names of the crew in conversations everywhere? Would they not be able to take shore leave without people wanting to treat them like celebrities? Or is the Federation like our governments and militaries that never tell us anything and would the public not even know they faced certain death if not for Pike, Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the NCC-1701 crew? Is it really realistic to see them not get recognized anywhere but Starfleet Headquarters? The public has got to know Vulcan was destroyed. It's probably the biggest news in the Federation.
That'd be a good idea, but I wouldn't go overboard with it.
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