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Old 05-19-2009, 01:30 PM
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Default What was Hopeful About the New Star Trek movie?

Besides giving me a sense of optimism that the franchise won't be ignored in the coming years, i didn't find anything particularly hopeful or optimistic about the film itself, but people keep talking about how its a "feel good" movie, or how it fits in with the Obama era. I just don't see how this film has a message of hope or optimism in it. Am I missing something?
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:32 PM
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Well, the Dick Cheaney character, Nero, is defeated at the end...
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:33 PM
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The sense of destiny, and rising above one's challenges, physically, mentally and spiritually. A united tone of optimism permeates the film. It doesn't have to explicit to be integral.
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It may not have had much of one - but I honestly didn't miss that aspect. I was having too much fun being carried along by the crew.

Besides it still depicts an Earth where mankind has solved a lot of it's problems, is exploring space (peacefully as much as possible), with the Federation working for greater good, all together going forward in the future.

It's not the same kind of utopia - thank goodness Jack survives instead of synthehol - but that's no complaint.
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:38 PM
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The optimism of Trek works best via contrasts. TWOK is a dark movie, but at the end there is Genesis, new life and Kirk feels young. TUC is also a dark movie, but Kirk overcomes his hate for the Klingons, defeats the conspirators and opens the stony road to peace with the Klingons. FC features the Borg, is set in the post-apocalyptic aftermath of WWIII yet the bright future for the 21st century humans is about to start.

This movie was neither cynical nor optimistic, but so were most other Trek movies.
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Yes, Nero does resemble Cheyney in his methods for getting information from captured prisioners. But Bush is often compared to Kirk. In this film Kirk resembles Bush in being a converted drukard and following his father's footsteps (to Starfleet Academy) to attain a position his father once held (as Starship Captain).

So Bush (Kirk) blows away (Nero) Cheyney, after rescuing McCain (Pike) and embarrassing Obama (Spock), who is carrying on a love affair with Clinton (Uhura), and who looses his position as Captain to (Bush) Kirk, but keeps the woman (Clinton/Uhura) he (Bush/Kirk) was lusting after. Didn't exactly follow the pattern of the election did it?

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Yes, Nero does resemble Cheyney in his methods for getting information from captured prisioners. But Bush is often compared to Kirk. In this film Kirk resembles Bush in being a converted drukard and following his father's footsteps (to Starfleet Academy) to attain a position his father once held (as Starship Captain).

So Bush (Kirk) blows away (Nero) Cheyney, after rescuing McCain (Pike) and embarrassing Obama (Spock), who is carrying on a love affair with Clinton (Uhura), and who looses his position as Captain to (Bush) Kirk, but keeps the woman (Clinton/Uhura) he (Bush/Kirk) was lusting after. Didn't exactly follow the pattern of the election did it?
Damn, that was good.
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Besides giving me a sense of optimism that the franchise won't be ignored in the coming years, i didn't find anything particularly hopeful or optimistic about the film itself, but people keep talking about how its a "feel good" movie, or how it fits in with the Obama era. I just don't see how this film has a message of hope or optimism in it. Am I missing something?

Actually you are not. Its very true, I suspect Paramount did it for the money and they wanted new fans, notice new fans. They tell the origional fans of Star Trek to go with the flow, to get over it. We cannot do that.
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Actually you are not. Its very true, I suspect Paramount did it for the money and they wanted new fans, notice new fans. They tell the origional fans of Star Trek to go with the flow, to get over it. We cannot do that.

Please do not speak for me, sir. YOU and others with your opinion "cannot do that". There is nothing for me to "get over".
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It gives hope that despite one's background, even an altered one like Kirk's that one could rise to greatness.

Even with a planet destroyed, perhaps a sentient species would be allowed to survive. It's when somebody gives up hope, and gives into hatred that any hope for their future is lost.
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