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Old 05-24-2009, 05:53 PM
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Just been to see the movie a second time. Noticed something about Pine, he's slightly cross-eyed (the left eye being the "lazy" one), I think it adds to his overall attractiveness.

I also think they ingeniously used this in the movie when McCoy is reciting the symptoms after giving him the vaccination: "The vision in your left eye will go slightly blurry..."
Never noticed that! Well, something else to look for next time.

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He could be completely cross-eyed and I'd probably still think he was hot.
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:08 PM
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He could be completely cross-eyed and I'd probably still think he was hot.
I'm sure. He'd probably see two of you. Double the pleasure double the fun.
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:11 PM
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However, Chris Pine is HOT!!! Nothing to do with Shatner at all.

(...) the hotness of Chris Pine is such a girl thing, don't even try to figure it out LOL...
Agreed on all points. Yes, Shatner was a good-looking man back in the day, but Chris Pine is in another league entirely. He exudes sexiness, whereas Shatner didn't. I'm getting all fangirly just thinking about it... which is totally wrong considering my age.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:50 AM
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I think we've now reaching the point where we can regard Kirk in the same light as James Bond with people might be able to identify more with the character than the actor who plays him.
Not me. Ian Fleming created Bond. Shatner created Kirk. There is no other actor who ever had the balls to make such an *** of himself and get away with it.

Pine was superb! Superlative, and I thank him for a super stellar performance -- and god do I give him credit. Can you imagine the nads to step into Shatner's shoes and pull it off? But I will never separate Captain Kirk from Bill Shatner.

Put another way, if Pine had measured up to Shatner no better than Roger Moore measured up to Connery, we'd be calling for his neck. Pine had a much tougher job than Moore or Brosnan or Craig, and he nailed it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:07 AM
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What's really interesting - maybe a little scary - is how many reviewers like Chris and Zach BETTER than Shat and Nimoy. Most who say that grew up on Star Wars, of course, and so TOS is just another old show. Star Trek really would have died without this update.
I don't think Nimoy can possibly be overshadowed, but I see Quinto going in exactly the right direction -- a Spock who'll always be more Human because he has a human woman and because of the devastating emotional experiences he's had in this movie. I agree with some of the reviewers that say that Pine out-Kirked Kirk, because Shatner's acting just wasn't that consistant over the course of the original series (come on, the guy developed that stilted hammy each. word. is. a sentence. thing because he didn't bother to memorize his lines).

Pine's Kirk is a character we see mature into a captain over the course of the movie. He's bold, he's vibrant, and his performance is believeable. He deserves massive props for making Kirk more three-dimensional than Shatner ever bothered to in the original series. (Now, in the movies Shatner gives a better show, but that's after he had years to get it right.)
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:21 AM
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Just been to see the movie a second time. Noticed something about Pine, he's slightly cross-eyed (the left eye being the "lazy" one), I think it adds to his overall attractiveness.

I also think they ingeniously used this in the movie when McCoy is reciting the symptoms after giving him the vaccination: "The vision in your left eye will go slightly blurry..."
For some reason some of the best NBA players are ****-eyed.
(noway that's a offensive WORD?!)
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:21 AM
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I agree with some of the reviewers that say that Pine out-Kirked Kirk, because Shatner's acting just wasn't that consistant over the course of the original series (come on, the guy developed that stilted hammy each. word. is. a sentence. thing because he didn't bother to memorize his lines).

Pine's Kirk is a character we see mature into a captain over the course of the movie. He's bold, he's vibrant, and his performance is believeable. He deserves massive props for making Kirk more three-dimensional than Shatner ever bothered to in the original series. (Now, in the movies Shatner gives a better show, but that's after he had years to get it right.)
Get ready to don that asbestos suit, my friend, because you're sure to get burned. However, I agree with you. Pine out-Kirked Shat.
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Get ready to don that asbestos suit, my friend, because you're sure to get burned. However, I agree with you. Pine out-Kirked Shat.
Asbestos suit? I'm naturally flame retardent! I'm not going to be quiet when I see good work being done. (Although Karl Urban stole the show. Did he séance up Kelly and take the route of full body posession? )
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:00 AM
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I don't think Nimoy can possibly be overshadowed, but I see Quinto going in exactly the right direction -- a Spock who'll always be more Human because he has a human woman and because of the devastating emotional experiences he's had in this movie. I agree with some of the reviewers that say that Pine out-Kirked Kirk, because Shatner's acting just wasn't that consistant over the course of the original series (come on, the guy developed that stilted hammy each. word. is. a sentence. thing because he didn't bother to memorize his lines).

Pine's Kirk is a character we see mature into a captain over the course of the movie. He's bold, he's vibrant, and his performance is believeable. He deserves massive props for making Kirk more three-dimensional than Shatner ever bothered to in the original series. (Now, in the movies Shatner gives a better show, but that's after he had years to get it right.)

Agreed on all accounts. It is Kirk that changes the most. I absolutely love his realization of how injured Spock is by Vulcan's destruction. The expressions on Pine's face are priceless. He really nailed Kirk's compassion. I also agree that this Spock will explore his humanity more than Spock Prime and that this is a good idea. We've watched Spock Prime try to become more Vulcan for 40 years. Been there, done that. Quinto's Spock will struggle with trying to fit into an emotional society after a very structured childhood in which emotions were considered vulger and weak.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:52 PM
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Since I'm new to the board, I wanted to add my comments regarding Pine's performance:

I’ve been a fan of Star Trek for years after my brother got me hooked on it, but I’ve always been a TOS fan. I never really got into the other series: TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise. I realize now that what I really loved was the Kirk/Spock dynamic along with the rest of the cast of TOS. THAT’S what I loved about Star Trek.

Needless to say, I was curious about this new take on the old series, and I wasn’t sure if I was going to like it. We all know that Hollywood likes to put pretty faces in movies and on television that have no talent and the audience many times doesn’t mind. So, I wasn’t really optimistic about Star Trek. Well, surprise, surprise, I LOVED it, and Chris Pine is a huge reason why. I’ve always liked James Kirk (and William Shatner), and I would have been upset if some actor came along and made the character cheesy or completely unlikeable and unrecognizable. I think Chris Pine did the polar opposite. He not only made the character likeable and engaging, but he was SO cool and sexy.

My head turns at the sight of a gorgeous guy just like any other female, but if there’s no substance underneath, he becomes just a gorgeous guy. You know, pure fluff. Pine brought all the things I like in a performance: intelligence, humor, courage, vulnerability, fear, confusion, and determination. All of these elements and emotions were evident in his Kirk. I had a lot of favorite scenes, but these stand out:

I really like the first encounter of Kirk and Spock at his cadet hearing when the two characters see each other for the first time. Before that, we had seen Kirk as the amusing, flirty, fighting, and arrogant young man. However, in this first scene with Spock, we see Kirk’s pain. Chris Pine played that scene beautifully when Spock mentions that he should know better than anyone about no-win scenarios. You hear a murmur from the cadets in attendance, and Kirk glances back and then drops his head and says something like “I, of all people.” It’s the first time we see how the death of his father is really a painful thing for Kirk. The arrogance and confidence is suddenly gone, and you see the pain in his eyes and the loss. It was a moment when I saw a vulnerable Kirk, and I hadn’t really seen that before in this character. It was a really subtle choice on Pine’s part, and it worked beautifully.

No one talks much about the scene when Kirk confronts Pike on the bridge about the impending trap. Most fans discuss how funny the prior scenes were (and they WERE funny and fantastic). However, the scene when Kirk runs onto the bridge is the first time the audience sees the potential “captain” in Kirk. So far, he’s been goofy, flirty, smug, but in that scene, I saw the intelligence, the focus, and the idea that “Yeah, I’d follow this guy into battle.” Pike at first dismisses Kirk, and everyone is anxious to remove him from the bridge until he tells everyone that they are not part of a rescue mission but are, in fact, warping into a trap. The whole bridge is silenced by those words. When questioned further by Pike, Kirk lays out the facts and what he has deduced about the distress call they received. Chris Pine did a wonderful job of going from funny and goofy two scenes earlier to this focused, determined, and keenly intelligent cadet that impresses everyone. When he delivered his lines, Pine is all business. He is deadly serious, his tone, his direct eye contact. It was all excellent. When it turns out that Kirk was right, I think this was the moment when Pike realizes that Kirk is command material, and shortly thereafter makes the decision to promote him to First Officer when he leaves the Enterprise. He’s smart enough to see the potential, and to see the potential between Kirk AND Spock as a team.

The other scene that’s a real standout for me, and is not discussed as much in detail is Kirk’s meeting with Spock Prime. In fact, Chris Pine and Leonard Nimoy have many more scenes together than Quinto and Nimoy, and I think Pine and Nimoy actually had more chemistry. The scene is set up nicely in that Kirk and the young Spock don’t like each other, so by the time Kirk meets Spock Prime, he’s understandably confused about a supposed friendship. I like how Pine shows Kirk’s respect for Spock Prime almost immediately. He addresses him as “sir” and shows a reverence for him in a way that he would never show for younger Spock. I loved Pine’s entire performance in the scene when he explains that he is not captain. There is dejectedness in his tone as he says it, but the real killer scene is when he asks Spock Prime about his father. Again, we see that vulnerability and weakness in Kirk, and I think it just makes the character more human and even more likeable, and I like how Spock Prime informs Kirk that his father lived to proudly see him become Captain of the Enterprise. He gives his friend what he needs to hear in that moment. By the time these two men are ready to part, Kirk wants Spock Prime to come with him. “You’re coming back with us, aren’t you?” You can already see the chemistry between the Kirk and Spock dynamic, even among the “older version.” I also REALLY liked that Pine brought a real dislike at the idea of having to emotionally compromise the younger Spock. When Spock Prime tells him that Kirk must get Spock to show his emotions and get himself relieved of command, you can see on Pine’s face that he doesn’t like the idea of having to do that at all. There isn’t a “sure, no problem” reaction from him. Chris Pine speaks a lot with his eyes, and you can see that when he’s told to compromise Spock, there is a real reluctance in his eyes that come out. It’s almost like it’s a sucker punch in Kirk’s mind and he hates the idea of doing it. It was a great scene.

I also loved the scene with Pine and Quinto after they materialize on the Narada and begin working together. The chemistry between them really comes out when they are fighting side by side and then later on the jellyfish ship when Kirk tells Spock, “It’ll work.” The first spark of friendship is starting.

I could go on in detail about Chris Pine’s performance because it was that good. Many reviewers say it was a star making performance, and it truly was. Any actor can be good looking on the big screen, but it takes a really good actor to bring the layers he brought to the character. Pine’s performance is the one that stayed with me after I left the theater because it was similar but different to the James T. Kirk I remembered and love. Quinto looked like Nimoy, so I didn’t have to stretch to see the character in him. Urban sounded and acted like DeForest, so again, I didn’t have to stretch. Pine doesn’t look or sound like Shatner, so he had the greatest challenge, and he so completely nailed it. I actually saw this movie three times because of his performance (and the rest of the cast). That’s something new for me. Bravo Chris.
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