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Old 05-12-2009, 12:30 AM
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When TNG came around. Then the fun came back when Voyager aired and finally Enterprise.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:37 AM
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I have to admit that the series ENT didn't captivate me like all the rest but my need for trek runs deep and it grew on me. As I always say, while they continue to make Star Trek, I will continue to watch it......LOVE Trek!
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Old 05-12-2009, 02:10 AM
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Yar, Archer should have just ejected all female members out into space during the Pilot to prevent them loosing their shirts AND TOTALLY DESTROYING THE STAR TREK FRANCHISE THOSE FILTHY HORTAS!

I keep expecting people on this forum to understand, yet I am continually wrong.

The example I cited regarding Hoshi on Enterprise was that it was
obvious and juvenille.

Shouldn't writers in Hollywood, the entertainment capital of the world,
the place where the best of the best are supposedly working, the
standard-bearers for quality, have been able to do better than a cheap
thrill? Was that really all they were capable of? Isn't that why "Enterprise"
was such a flop? They pandered rather than challenged their audience?
They aimed low?

...and, it's "losing". One "o".

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Old 05-12-2009, 02:45 AM
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I keep expecting people on this forum to understand, yet I am continually wrong.

The example I cited regarding Hoshi on Enterprise was that it was
obvious and juvenille.

Shouldn't writers in Hollywood, the entertainment capitol of the world,
the place where the best of the best are supposedly working, the
standard-bearers for quality, have been able to do better than a cheap
thrill? Was that really all they were capable of? Isn't that why "Enterprise"
was such a flop? They pandered rather than challenged their audience?
They aimed low?

...and, it's "losing". One "o".
Of all the things that were wrong with Enterprise, and there were many, pointing out Hoshi's "slip" seems obnoxious and juvinelle. Concentrate on the more important aspects; characters, plot, cohesion with what came before. Contrary to Bible Thumpers R'S, you can pander with sexual innuendo and still have the former. See Battlestar Galactica.

...and, it's "capital". A, not O.

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Good catch!
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When you want to.


"juvinelle"?
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:23 AM
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Using Hoshi's slip as an example of one of the problems with
"Enterprise" is not obnoxious, nor juvenile.
It is the tip of the iceberg.
Characters were frequently seem in their undergarments, merely
to pander to the lower instincts because the writers could not
create comepelling enough stories to draw in viewers.

There was a movie with Alan Alda, (I think), that illustrated the
absurdity of movie-making. The director said something to the
effect that there are three things that make a successful film:
1)defy authority
2)destroy property
3)take people's clothes off

The point being, a good story is a waste of time, just pander and
viewers will watch. That was the character/director of the film's opinion.

"Enterprise" writers seemed to adhere to that method for crafting
their scripts.

At least until Manny Coto was given reign for season four.
Then, we saw some good episodes.
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:34 AM
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Contrary to Bible Thumpers R'S, you can pander with sexual innuendo and still have the former.
What does "R'S" mean? I'm not privy to your code.

What "former" are you referring to?

A example to indicate what I mean:

"Which television show do you want to watch: Voyager, or Enterprise?"

"The former." he answered.

"The latter." she answered.
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:54 AM
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Voyager was where Star Trek lost me. Deep Space Nine almost did, but toward the latter half of Season 2 it started to get my attention. Voyager never did grab me. Enterprise could have reeled me back in, but the Pilot shot that possibility out of the water.
I thoroughly agree with The Saint on this one.

Deep Space Nine found its feet over time, and achieved true awesomeness for me.

Voyager, however, just settled into a routine and seemed content with churning out the same product for seven years, rather than attempting to live up to its potential. I enjoyed it, certainly, but it never felt especially fulfilling or meaningful. Enterprise was much the same, only more so. Again, there was a potential for unrivaled imagination and storytelling, but instead we got more timid repetition.

I still intend to watch the rest of Enterprise if it ever gets aired here; but I can't shake the feeling that both Enterprise and Voyager had the potential to be far, far more than they were.

Unlike Mr Saint, however, I feel that the new movie has restored Trek to much of its former glory, and at the very least it's opened the door for a bright and imaginative future.
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:54 AM
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Fact o' the matter, I've twice in my life seen a female inadvertantly disrobed. So to my experience what happened to Hoshi was a humorous touch of reality.
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Old 05-12-2009, 03:57 AM
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Oh yeah, Trek stopped being fun for me on the day I died. But that was another life! Still lovin' it in this Abramsverse!
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