[larue]

Does anyone know if there is talk of bringing Spock's mother "from the dead" (or netherspace) in the sequel ? It would solve the bizarre impression created by seeing Winona Ryder "hiding" in old-age make-up in the present film.

Now that I've done a bit of iconographic research, I understand that we were supposed to see Ryder without her old-age make-up in a scene that was cut and in which we see her with the new-born Spock. With that scene intact, we wouldn't have expected a happy resolution to her death, the way we do know. I.e. if we weren't meant to see Spock's mother as a young woman, the creators would have, logically, chosen a older actor to play the part... But they chose Ryder and only seeing her in old-age makeup makes little sense. In fact, it leaves us expecting to see her again, either in flashback or possibly in a "rematerializing" scene (thanks to Scotty's and Spoke's expertise in physics), but which never comes. Ergo the possibility of seeing that happen in STXII.......... ?

What do you think ?

[DammitJim]

Ryder was to appear at various ages in the film, but her "younger self" scenes were left on the cutting room floor

JJ may re-insert her scenes in the DVD version as he was very hesitant to cut them apparently

[larue]

Indeed that makes sense... and if the scenes are edited back in, we'll get a more definate sense of closure. And we'll accept the reality of the new reality (a world without Vulcain) better.

[Captain Pike]

I am, sure young Ms Ryders scenes cut could be used in the sequel as Spock deals with a emotional issue trying to define himself.

[kevin]

I assume they will be in the DVD. If not as a recut version of the film, as extras.

[FarDreaming]

During filming JJ was praising Ryder's scenes and the great job she was doing. I was very disappointed when all that really remained of it were 4 lines. And I do think that Kirk's taunt about

Kirk's line

about taunting Spock about not caring about "The woman who gave birth to you"

would have been much more effective to us if we had been able to see those scenes.

[priell3]

"Ryder wouldn't mind playing a villain in a future film. "This may be the most female-friendly movie in the series," she said. "my character is part of that. The studio wants to make Star Trek more interesting to women, and if they come up with a good female villain in a future movie, I'm willing and I'm able.""

[Commodore]

Winona Ryder as Chaka Mai-Lynn Khan

[That Metal Beastie]

Originally Posted by larue

Does anyone know if there is talk of bringing Spock's mother "from the dead" (or netherspace) in the sequel ?

I hope so. I really like Winona.

Originally Posted by DammitJim

JJ may re-insert her scenes in the DVD version as he was very hesitant to cut them apparently

Hopefully.

Originally Posted by larue

Indeed that makes sense... and if the scenes are edited back in, we'll get a more definate sense of closure. And we'll accept the reality of the new reality (a world without Vulcain) better.

Perhaps but I pretty well accept that developement already.

Originally Posted by Captain Pike

I am, sure young Ms Ryders scenes cut could be used in the sequel as Spock deals with a emotional issue trying to define himself.

I had a similar thought.

Originally Posted by kevin

I assume they will be in the DVD. If not as a recut version of the film, as extras.

As well. I'd prefer the recut version, I think.

Originally Posted by priell3

"Ryder wouldn't mind playing a villain in a future film. "This may be the most female-friendly movie in the series," she said. "my character is part of that. The studio wants to make Star Trek more interesting to women, and if they come up with a good female villain in a future movie, I'm willing and I'm able.""

Hmmm interesting. I'm still liking the Winona.

[Zardoz]

Did she escape??