[MissionTrek08]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Because it kept to Canon.

Sorry, a huge portion of TREK fans won't even agree with you on that one, as NEMESIS remains one of if not THE lowest rated TREK film ever made.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by FanWriter45

Or, to put it into a Trekkian techno-babble explaination: TOS v. TNT (The New Trek) is a case of Quantum uncertainty... aka "Shrodinger's Cat". Both Treks exist, but by going to the theatre, the waveform collapses, and the universe shifts along one, new, timeline.

You do know, don'tcha, that Schroedinger's Cat was a joke. I don't mean it's ridiculous, I mean Schroedinger conceived it to be humorous. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle applies on the quantum level, but not on the microscopic or macroscopic level.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Spock

Umm.. You don't Think the Stress of a Romulan Attack could have caused early labor? hmm.. most illogical.

No, that's not illogical, it's fava beans. But the way he undulated it was completely gabardine. Okay, I see the fun in misusing words now.

[q3ark]

Originally Posted by kevin

I think it's a grey area - in VOY HOME Kirk says he's 'from' Iowa. He himself doesn't use the word 'born'.

So, he was born in space, and then spent the rest of his life in Iowa. So, he's from Iowa.

Quite correct. Just like I was born in York general district hospital but i'm from Tadcaster. Why are people having such a hard time with this? Duh

[Beetlescott]

Originally Posted by cjopbj

I think the new timeline is great. It would be absurd to stick to the old 1960's cannon. Are we supposed to still say that earth experienced world war 3 in the 1990's? Of course not. Are we still to believe that the only way someone who is male and half human would have any physical or emotional contact with a woman is if he's been drugged by spores? That's just silly. All the shows in the 1960's - Daniel Boone, Gunsmoke, etc., were about pushing the men into the most horrific situations so the actors could express emotion. How many wives and girlfriends did Little Joe lose just so the writers could let Michael Landon cry? Today's audiences (in the US) have grown up with a very different sensibility of how men behave. Adult, heterosexual males are expected to have physical and emotional contact with women.

The new timelines allows Spock and Kirk and everyone else to be characters created for this generation and for this era. They can live in grow with us. This isn't Dickens. We're not watching Oliver Twist or something which must always be set in a certain era to make sense.

This is one of those movies I like more the more I think about it. It wasn't perfect, of course. There were plot holes and I didn't like that little creature that hung around with Scotty. Yuck. Too ewok like. But the main cast was amazing. Quinto, Pine, Saldana, Urban. Wow!

This movie is great, and I love it, but I see no reason to bash the 60a version that many of us love and still watch regularly. When Spock was hit with the spores, it made perfect sence that the "spores" changed him the way they did. They chaged Bones, Kirk and everyone else, it was just different for the Vulcan. I personally hope that this new Spock gets more like the old one. It's just logical.

[RonSalon]

We are children of two timelines... Only each one of us can choose our own destiny.

[lonstar70]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Because it kept to Canon.

Well they were destroying our "canon" with crap. That's why they stopped with the Next Generation movies. They had ruined it. Critics and fans alike hated what it had become. After I saw that film, I said, "I hope this is the last one". And it was. TNG was my favorite ST ever, and Berman and crew destroyed it.

[RonSalon]

Originally Posted by lonstar70

Well they were destroying our "canon" with crap. That's why they stopped with the Next Generation movies. They had ruined it. Critics and fans alike hated what it had become. After I saw that film, I said, "I hope this is the last one". And it was. TNG was my favorite ST ever, and Berman and crew destroyed it.

I unerstand how you feel, but as a writer you get blocked in by canon. They needed to reboot the show.

[jason_evil]

interesting thought, for this new time line to remain intact, young spock will have to do the exact same thing old spock did.

as in, he'd have to try and stop the supernova and him and the narada get pulled back in time, if he prevents that from happening, old time line comes back...

[Beetlescott]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I am going to be quite blunt.

Abramsdisaster was shot for the masses.

The Masses do not care about the 43 years of history that we fans have built up and improved with Star Trek.

All the Masses care about is sex and violiance(SP) thats what they got with this Abramsdisaster.

The Masses want it to be a bang bang shoot em up film and thats what they got. The masses don't care about script, story or plot, thats what they got.

When I was on a college campus years ago (1970s or 80's I think), We got to meet Gene Roodenberry. A Student asked him where Captain Kirk was born he said Iowa.

Abramsdisaster claims that the normal time line is not disrupted. But how can that be if Kirk is born on a fake federation starship the Kelvin. if it had not been attacked Kirk would had been born on that ship, which is against what Gene said.

Abramsdisaster destroyed the canon before his supposed time line started.

Thats my rant and opinion.

You do have a good point there, but in reality, we never knew exactly where Kirk was born, Roddenberry might have just meant Kirk was From Iowa, possibly. One another note, According to Best Destiny, a really great novel, Kirk was a troublemaker when he was young. I admit, I had never heard exactly where he was born, or the Kelvin. I guess JJ felt he had the right to put Kirks birth anywhere he wanted since no one actually said "where" the birth was.