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Old 05-13-2009, 09:24 AM
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Spock's self appointed mission in the original time line was to bring about the reconciliation of the Vulcan and Romulan peoples. if he was ever successful in returning to where and when he departed his own time and reality, he would expect to be a symbol of hatred for surviving Romulans. His very presence would be counter productive, while with his apparent death, the survivors may be able to focus on rebuilding their civilization even if it means help from the Federation.

In his new circumstances, Spock has a purpose again. He can help rebuild the Vulcan civilization... He can make certain that even amid the carnage of this altered time line that preparations are made for a myriad of events which the current level of change in the time stream will not alter. V'ger, Whale Probe, Doomsday Machine, The Neural Parasites... The Borg...

Also perhaps at a distance, but he will keep an eye on his friends.

As to Nero, His ship was already heavily damaged and was being ruptured by mini black holes before the main one formed. Yet I know Nero is not dead... We will see him emerge again around 2050 when Star Trek XXI Titled Star Trek: Resurrection hits theaters...
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:32 AM
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I think Nero is obviously a bit of a whack job. While it was a bit much for Spock to promise to save Romulus, it's not like he destroyed it. His rescue mission failed. For that Nero condemns all Federation planets to destruction.

His claim is he wants a Romulus free of Federation intereferance. Damage has a good point: were he to succeed, Nero would have the ability to stop the supernova and save Romulus. So, on that, he's at least got a reasonable plan.

"The Red Matter" is just stupid beyond belief. I would whine about it, but hey, it's Star Trek stupid pseudo science and huge gaping plot holes are part fo the charm.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:53 AM
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As a fan of the Star Trek timeline and a huge fan of TNG, Voyager and DS9, I'm hoping a new Star Trek is created taking up from the end of Nemisis. Does the Star Trek prequel mean the Federation as we know it has altered because of the timeline change? Vulcun and Romulus, 2 major planets in the make up of the Alpha quandrant are gone. Kirk has become Enterprise captain earlier than before. Will he meet Carol Marcus, will all the events of Trek still happen. I enjoyed the film and while Abbrams nodded to Trek fans with his Kobayshi storyline, he has re written 150 years of history.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:31 AM
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There are many ways that Spock could have repaired the time line which many of he had experienced, The Sling Shot Effect, The Gaurdian, hell even a transported has been used to travel through time and dimensions. Although I am not nit picking on this plot hole, repairs to the time line could have been done, they just left it this way so we as fans could have new adventures with the crew we know and love.

As for the time paradox that created this new timeline, all is the same except for certian events that have now been changed. As one said earlier, natural events should still occure unless influenced by out side events, The Hobus star should still exploded in the future, but things like the finding of Khan might not ever happen since events have been altered. The doomsday machine is still roaming about and the Enterprise may never encounter it. The Ion storm above the planet in "Mirror, Mirror" will still occure but Kirk, McCoy, Uhura, and Scotty may never be transporter to the alternate reality. So some thing will still happen when other thing wil not.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:35 AM
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There are many ways that Spock could have repaired the time line which many of he had experienced, The Sling Shot Effect, The Gaurdian, hell even a transported has been used to travel through time and dimensions. Although I am not nit picking on this plot hole, repairs to the time line could have been done, they just left it this way so we as fans could have new adventures with the crew we know and love.

As for the time paradox that created this new timeline, all is the same except for certian events that have now been changed. As one said earlier, natural events should still occure unless influenced by out side events, The Hobus star should still exploded in the future, but things like the finding of Khan might not ever happen since events have been altered. The doomsday machine is still roaming about and the Enterprise may never encounter it. The Ion storm above the planet in "Mirror, Mirror" will still occure but Kirk, McCoy, Uhura, and Scotty may never be transporter to the alternate reality. So some thing will still happen when other thing wil not.
The Miror Universe MIGHT NOT happen in this reality IF the trigger for the creation of the Mirror Universe was the SURVIVAL of Edith Keeler.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:49 AM
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But if they do not find the gaurdian then they will not go back in time and Edith may still end up being killed by the truck. In the orginal timeline she still die before they go back but as we all know that Kirk, Spock, and McCoy influenced those events by being there to where she is hit. Now having said that, since they may not go back in time, those events may alter a bit but still play out to where Edith still gets killed. This is assumed at this point since reality does not reflect that she lived adn we all know what happened if she did live.
Since you brought up the point, Edith may be a triggering point for the Mirror universe but she may also not be. See this is the funny thing about messing with time, to use and overused quote just slightly modified, "Time is like a box of chocolates, if you shake the box up, you never know what your goign to get".
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:57 AM
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"Time is like a box of chocolates, if you shake the box up, you never know what your goign to get".
Mmmmmmm. Choklit.
Only thing; choklit covered coconut is just

It just tastes (and feels)... wrong.
Like eating choklit covered dead maggots wrong.
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Thats funny "choklit" lol
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:21 PM
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My take on all of this is: The Romulan Star Empire was in pieces post - Nemesis. Insurrection and the Dominion War has left her the Empire a shadow of her former self.

The Federation has always been historically a counter to the Romulans plans.

What if the Federation wasn't there to provide a counter? - If Nero had removed the Federation from existance one planet at a time allowing the Star Empire to expand beyond anything the Prime universe had? - Allowing them to expand unchecked, forming there own "Federation of Planets" thus "saving" Romulus/Romulans as a species?

What started out as revenge against Spock for failing to save his home planet, had became a chance to save his entire species from being "out-smarted" by Starfleet?

Maybe clutching at straws but that was what I took home from it

How Nero knew when Spock was due does interest me though, I guess he would of had infomation like relative distance to the opening of the singularity and relative speed towards it within his sensor logs as he entered. He also would know what the extact stardate was as he crossed and the arriving stardate.

Without knowing the time-dialation effect of the singularity its hard to understand how he actually worked it out: At least he had 25 years to perfect it
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