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Old 12-29-2009, 02:21 AM
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I might very well be wrong on this as I am not very familiar with TOS background stuff, but I guess that the writer's initially worked from Roddenberry's Pike/Kirk definition and later took Shatner's energetic portrayal more into account.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:27 AM
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It seems a likely idea. At the start Pike was recast/renamed because of the other changes between pilots.

It's possible that the initial intention was not for the character to be remarkably different from Pike - at the start - but because of Shatner's very different acting style they began to accomodate that.

Plus the hero of the piece needs to be involved in the action, so he has to be believable as a fighter as well.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:48 AM
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The doctors, Boyce from The Cage and McCoy, also indicate that Roddenberry merely changed the names. From The Rodd's first draft:

Phillip Boyce, an unlikely space traveler. At the age of fifty-one, he's worldly, humorously cynical, makes it a point to thoroughly enjoy his own weaknesses. Captain April's only real confidant, "Bones" Boyce considers himself the only realist aboard, measures each new landing in terms of relative annoyance, rather than excitement.

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So I'm watching TOS episodes tonight... trying to imagine how new young Kirk developed into the Kirk we know of old... very cool, very interesting.. fun food for thought... Can't wait for the sequel lol :P

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Me too! I finally got all the seasons of TOS on blu ray and even have all the 10 movies and even this one! I know the old Kirk is differnt than from the new one. I noticed that Pine's Kirk sound a lot like Shatner's Kirk around the ending when he said "Bones buckle up" and "Take us out" that part really remind me alot like the old Kirk. I'm curious as to know what direction this new Kirk will go.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:37 PM
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I noticed that too, K&S#1Fan about Pine's portrayal of Kirk at the end (I"ve seen the movie literally 11 times now)! Loved it! Nailed the swagger. Were you able to find "The Search of Spock" (TSOS)? My brother and I have searched Wal-Mart and Best Buy and even "Googled" it, but can't find it in stores and there aren't that many scenes on You Tube. I wonder why that is???
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Sorry to be the pooper of the party, but I just don't see Pine's Kirk developing into the Kirk we know from TOS. For one thing, he literally can't develop into that character. Simply because he's not the Kirk from TOS. He's an alternate reality version of Kirk. TOS Kirk is still in the TOS universe. Blissfully unaware of the goings on in the Abramsverse. This version can develop however he/the writers choose for him to. His history is fundamentally different from TOS Kirk. He had no father. He had an abusive stepfather. He had - presumably - a mostly absent mother. He grew up to be Kirk-the-jerk, while TOS Kirk was "a stack of books with legs". Besides, Pine's acting style is nothing like Shatner's. Those final scenes aboard the Abramsprise were definitely Shatner-esque. But I don't believe we'll see much more of that.
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That's harsh Chris did well in my opinion
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I don't think Zim's criticizing Pine's performance, he's just saying the two Kirks are very different, which they are. Personally I thought Pine did a fine job.
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so do I he did and he made Kirk cute, like Pine is gorgeous in my opinion
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