[kevin]

Originally Posted by MissionTrek08

If anything, I'd "blame" that on the comic effect written into the scene about his accent, and not his execution of it.

If nothing else, his theek-like-borscht oxxint is kemplitlee kahnseestint vit istahbleeshed Starrr Trik cannown.

Yeah, I know a lot will like it, and it's not the make-or-break of the movie!! It's just a personal thing I that didn't gel for me!

[MissionTrek08]

And fair enough. I have some parts I'd have liked to see done better too. I haven't seen a perfect film yet, but some have gotten close before.

[Ga911Chick]

I've been a fan since the late 60's. Star Trek allowed this rural farm kid from Georgia to boldly go where no man has gone before, at least for an hour a week. I saw the movie last night. I left feeling very satisfied - I absolutely loved it. This coming from someone who refused to watch NG for years, it seemed like infidelity . . . . I just couldn't cheat on Kirk with Picard. I grew to love it years later, but I was very stubborn and stiff-necked concerning who the real crew of the Enterprise was.

The casting was great, I am a huge Simon Pegg fan, and would have loved for him to have had more screen time. Most outstanding - had to be Karl Urban as Dr. McCoy, excellent casting, from the resemblance to the line delivery.

What about Yeoman Janice somebody, the blonde who had the hots for Capt Kirk, or was it the other way around, also Nurse Chapel, played in the original series by Mrs Roddenberry and was later Counselor Troi's mom on NG, she was hot for Spock, you'd think they would have to be in a sequel.

A person could always nitpick and find something they didn't like about the movie not being "true" to the original series, but it was by far, the best Star Trek movie ever made, and that's saying a lot - I am pretty fond of some of the others.

[kevin]

I think very few are perfect. And I like a heck of a lot about this one. But some things they fell down on.

I forgot to actually rate it!!!

Well my rating would be 8/10.

[TheTrekkie]

Hmm very hard to evaluate

The special effects were superb, never seen better ones.

The first half of the movie was absolutely great.
Spock's story and Quinto's performance were great.
I also liked Urban alias mcCoy.

BUT
- Nero and his reasons were weak, they at least should have explained the meaning of the tatoos, then he could earn a little sympathy and wouldn't become just an other devil-villain
- After the first half they should have reduced the pace, slow down a little. But they didn't slow down and therefore most of the dialoges (except of Spock-Sarek in the transporter room) became trivial.
After the destruction of Vulcan they should have taken ~ 20 minutes just for the Characters and how they try to come along with the disaster.
-If they would have reduced the pace for ~20 minutes the big final battle would have been more dramatic and could have been made more dramatic.

So what do I think about the movie?
I don't know. A lot of very good aspects. A lot of bad aspects.

[horatio]

Seemed as if your fears that Nero is a clichée villain became true, TT.

[TheTrekkie]

Originally Posted by horatio

Seemed as if your fears that Nero is a clichée villain became true, TT.

The worst thing is, that you could feel Bana's potential to be able to play whatever you want him to play. And then they chose a villain like Shinzon instead of one like Dukat.

I am really confused how I should rank the movie.
On the one hand it was a good movie, but on the other hand I always had the feeling that anything was missing after the introduction and destruction of Vulcan was over.

[kevin]

A moment of contemplation and reflection after Vulcan's end would have been appropriate - even in an emergency such as that, a few minutes to let it sink in would have bettered the impact.

[horatio]

Originally Posted by TheTrekkie

The worst thing is, that you could feel Bana's potential to be able to play whatever you want him to play. And then they chose a villain like Shinzon instead of one like Dukat.

I am really confused how I should rank the movie.
On the one hand it was a good movie, but on the other hand I always had the feeling that anything was missing after the introduction and destruction of Vulcan was over.

Indeed, it's a script problem and not Bana's fault. If the villain wants to see the galaxy burn, either make him an explicit psychopath à la "Dark Knight" or explore his reasons. Hell, even Darth Vader´s road to the dark side was explored. Now Trek is in this respect dumber than Wars.

[thanis]

***ALL SPOILER POST***

Originally Posted by _Hades_

...
The second thing is Kirk's light speed promotion to 1st Officer. From brand new cadet to 1st Officer/Captain in three years. That's way too fast. The *only* way I could visualize that ever happening is if somehow Spock Prime (which this forum is the first time I've heard him called that) told Captain Pike who he was and that Kirk needed to be in that position. Other than that, I'm at a loss...

You are partially getting lost because the modern understanding of promotion, mixed with age (and most of the time this is the norm). When there is great need, even in real history, ability if pushed up the ranks fast. Look at George Washington (as a young officer serving the Crown). At the same time, I get what you are saying. There is something about a Kirk with a few years experience that makes the character more valid, prior to being captain. Still, as I stated, it is not unheard of, even in real history.

Consider where Kirk tested in ability (what Pike states at the bar pre-academy) and also during the academy (I had the impression Kirk was in the top, was top, of his class in view of some things Mccoy stated).

During the movie it was stated there were staffing problems (why everyone at the academy was given an assignment due to the emergancy at Vulcan). Add to this the heavy losses Star Fleet has been handed during the course of the movie (8-9 ships on Vulcan alone). Who knows how many were lost when the mining ship arrived at Earth.

You can even assumed they promoted Pike admiral not just because of injuries, but also due to a lack of fleet commanders after all the losses.


Now the transporter equation, that is a problem.