[That Metal Beastie]

Originally Posted by Saquist

Somethings are more fantasy than science.
And yet that doesn't mean the plot and the devices have to be contrived.

True that. When done well the contrivances don't feel contrived.

[Saquist]

That's true because the transporter, the warp drive, the matter antimatter reactor are all devises use to help drive the plot. They are introduced provisionally at first with little scientific explanation but we accept them as part of the background just as airplanes, computers, and shuttle lauches are apart of our background.

[That Metal Beastie]

Exactly!

[Saquist]

If I recall transporters weren't just done for flare...but to avoid lengthy shuttle scenes.
A quick jump to the planet with out all the fuss.

That's definitely a contrivance.

[That Metal Beastie]

Originally Posted by Saquist

If I recall transporters weren't just done for flare...but to avoid lengthy shuttle scenes.
A quick jump to the planet with out all the fuss.

That's definitely a contrivance.

An infinitely cool contrivance.

[Elizadolots]

Originally Posted by Kataan

That was a pretty good review Elizadolots, it was really a good read, thanks.

My one and only complaint is that you did not cover what I thought was one of the most controversial aspects of the movie, which was the destuction of the Vulcan homeworld and all but about 10,000 of her people. I am of the opinion that if that one piece of the movie alone had been re-written somehow to avoid this happening it would have turned into an even better movie. Vulcan and her people are a cornerstone of Star Trek and I just feel that it's just been ripped away leaving a gaping hole in it place.

I was trying not to spoil anything that wasn't highly suggested in the Trailer. I suspect the destruction of Vulcan is setting us up for follow on stories.

Originally Posted by Saquist

I liked the tone of the review.
It was not critical or insulting nor derisive.
The conversational aspect made it easy for everyone to apprciate.

Thank you.

[barbreader]

Here's my own review:
http://readerswritings.blogspot.com/...r-trek-xi.html

[Saquist]

Very good review.

You went on a bit of a tangent there a couple of times.
So on an off note. Thanks for taking the time to joing up to our (now your) little forum, we're glad to have you around barbreader...

Firstly I must go scientificly....
To introduce a mass sufficient enough to create a black hole would mean to add somehwere near 20 or so solar masses to a planets mass. That's twenty Suns in the heart of the planet. The colapse wouldn't take even minutes. It would be instant. The interior of the planet in the event horizon (assuming part of the planet is not in the event horizon) would immediately disappear within the Black Hole. There would likely be a massive emmision of energy by the sudden stripping of molecular and stomic bonds of that material and a beam of energy would briefly emit out from both poles of the planet while the outter shell was torn assunder because of the gravitational tidal forces that vary at distant from the singularity. The Debris field fould be spherical but over years it would turn into an accretion disk.

Also:
If the gain in mass was gradual. Then it would have been impossible to stand on the surface of vulcan with increasing solar masses in the core of the planet. The space shuttle is about 3 G's of constant Force.

Earth's solar mass would something like 0.000006 solar masses. Just adding 1 solar mass would kill everone and the planet instantly.

What makes so little sense is if Red Matter is so dense then how is it even used in such quantities? One Drop destroyed Vulcan but a hole sphere of the stuff is in Spock ship... It makes no sense at all.

Does spock's ship have ability to Negate billions of solar masses in some sort of anti grav field?! Who knows...

None of this resembles anything scientific...It might as well be hypermatter from star wars.

Good call on the Molten Earth. One could not sustain a tunnel to the planets core. It would immediately fill in with Magma and colapse because of the spin and mass of the planet.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Saquist

If I recall transporters weren't just done for flare...but to avoid lengthy shuttle scenes.
A quick jump to the planet with out all the fuss.

That's definitely a contrivance.

That's exactly why it was invented. A way to quicken up the story was all that was behind it.

[Southern2356]

Angels & Demons only got 37% on Rotten Tomatoes, ST still holding at 95%. It maybe be a better second weekend than we could hope for. I know I'll add a bit more to the gross later today for a matinee.