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Old 04-26-2009, 02:30 AM
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Why no Starship Fighter Carriers?

Aside from looking like BSG?

Starfleet shields get beat down so easily and fast.

A swarm of small fighters would still be effective,
in fact everyone would need to use them.

-especially photon torpedo space jets.

A photon or quantum torpedo is still a torpedo hitting shield
or hull.
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:58 AM
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Fighters like that will make it look like Star Wars.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:07 AM
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When I was younger I used to wonder about that myself - all other sci-fi shows had big ships and fighters (BSG - old and new, Buck Rogers, Star Wars).

Never worked out an answer.

But we did see smaller ships on DS9 in some battle sequences that were referred to as 'fighter wings'. They weren't quite the same as Vipers etc but it suggests Starfleet does have smaller vessels.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:30 AM
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The fighter thing really started with Star Wars in 1977 - about a decade after Star Trek. Remember that the primary mission of Starfleet wasn't supposed to be military, in Roddenberry's original concept; the starships are supposed to be multi-purpose vessels, as much scientific and diplomatic as military. The original Battlestar Galactica (1978) was seen at the time as a rip-off of Star Wars because of the fighter-type combat stuff. In fact, as I recall, Lucas sued (unsuccessfully); but John Dykstra, who did the special effects for the first Star Wars film and then went to Universal to do Galactica, never worked for Lucas again. After a while, the fighter thing became a bit generic, and I think there's a little of it in the DS9 Dominion War stuff - the Jem'Hadar have fighters, I think. But generally, it doesn't fit with Starfleet's mission (and yes, it would look too much like an imitation of Star Wars)!
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:32 AM
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I would have liked to have seen the Scimitar's fighters in action. Fighters make sense. It is a glaring obvious hole in Trek, in my opinion.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:28 AM
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ahh! very true about looking like Star Wars.

It is too bad, though.

In TOS, I don't think any small ships were armed.

When small ships are capable of heavy weapons,
the cat's out of the bag, no turning back.

Even if they can't chase a ship going to Warp,
reserve carriers would be loaded with fighters
to hunt them down.

Why is Warp Drive not used more in combat?

Losing ships tend to sit there and take it.

Also:

DS9's turret torpedo launchers should be installed on
certain ships, one's where they tend to see battle, esp.
the flagship.

Archer learned the hard way to bring better weapons.

What happened to Romulan Plasma? TNG use torpedoes,
I think.

What about missiles with a warp drive? Hard to stop if
launched at a moon, planet or base, coming out of nowhere.

Thank you for the replies.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:15 AM
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One problem with combat at warp speed would be that I don't think phasers can be fired if the ship is going FTL. (faster than light) Only torpedoes could be fired at that speed.

Just guessing, but I think it makes sense ...
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:22 AM
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If Star Trek had used fighters then it would have been a case of Star Wars looking like Star Trek.

As to why Trek didn't use fighters, in addition to the reasons above, I suspect another would have been to stop the focus of audience interest in the show from being transferred to any hotshot fighter pilot, and to keep it with the captain of the big ship, who was to be the hero of the show.
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Old 04-26-2009, 10:41 AM
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Starships carry greater firepower and defenses that Starships.
Star Fleet does have them but Star Trek wasn't modeled off captials ships like battleships, carriers and destroyers. The Star ships were portrayed as sub-like. a bit slow manuvering and with a great amount of fire power to breach they're defenses.

After a Volumetric analysis of Trek and Enterprise I found the phaser was Trillions of times more effective than the Anti Fighter lasers in Star Wars. Trek Vaporizes fighters completely. The Phaser is capable of splitting in t0 multiple streams and rapidly and precisely destroying them. The reason is that the Federation has faster than light sensors. The can acurately see and project the course of a target for the moving mechnaism in the phaser array to track and intercept.

That's the technical explanation.
The easy explanation is that the Federation didn't construct Star Fleet for War.
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Old 04-26-2009, 11:45 AM
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Fighters and carriers show up in one notable Trek instance - in the non-canon video game, Star Trek: Invasion. That story takes place after DS9, and sees Worf take command of the USS Typhon, a "mobile outpost and carrier ship" which houses a squadron of Valkyrie fighters, themselves based on the Federation scout ship piloted by Data in Insurrection. Warp-capable, large enough to carry a range of armaments, and well-shielded for their size. The Typhon herself is an immensely armoured warship that's brimming with weapons turrets, and a "fortress mode" that sees its armour lock down to cover all vulnerable spots.

Over the course of the game, the Valkyries take on everything from Nausicaan pirates, to the Borg, to original threats never before seen - or only referenced - in actual episodes.
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