[Capt Dunsel]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

Also, concerning the dossiers, James Kirk is listed as a student. And Chekov as an ensign. How is this possible? How does Kirk jump into the Captain's chair when he doesn't even outrank an ensign? It would seem that the chain of command aboard the Abramsprise doesn't really matter in the Abramsverse. Since Spock, a commander at the time, was apparently deemed unfit to assume command, the next person in line should have been Sulu who was a leutenant. Yet Jimbo just jumps into the seat and takes command even though he doesn't have the rank. Kinda sounds like mutiny to me. Just sayin'. It makes no sense.

Now, the interesting thing is that when you look at the fine detail of that trailer scene where Kirk first sits in the "Big Chair", the mystery grows deeper... Just as Kirk sits down, Bones says something - and if I am at all good at reading lips it looks like "WHAT?" However, at the same moment, Sulu flashes a solid "Thumbs Up" sign. What the heck is that about ????

[Lord Tribble]

Not sure that was a thumbs up actually, seemed more like he was pointing with his thumb

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Captain Pike

Then how did Scotty beam his beagle into oblivian? Who sent Scotty to Delta Vega?

I kinda doubt this story idea these days because bad things happening to dog tend to rub off poorly ones the what that harm them, especially in movies. Audiences dont like to see such things. Mans best friend and all that. But its certainly no rule.

[Capt Dunsel]

Originally Posted by Lord Tribble

Not sure that was a thumbs up actually, seemed more like he was pointing with his thumb

Dunno... Sulu had a smile and flashed the thumb as an affirmation it seemed to me. McCoy had an apparent opposite take on the situation. Who knows? We will find out in LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.....

[Biggest Capt. Kirk Fan]

Originally Posted by Captain Pike

Then how did Scotty beam his beagle into oblivian? Who sent Scotty to Delta Vega?

Scotty quit Starfleet Acadamy, moved to delta vega and was discovered by kirk. now about the beagle, that could have been archer's son or daughter's beagle. like i said archer was 91 years ahead of TOS

[Biggest Capt. Kirk Fan]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

Also, concerning the dossiers, James Kirk is listed as a student. And Chekov as an ensign. How is this possible? How does Kirk jump into the Captain's chair when he doesn't even outrank an ensign? It would seem that the chain of command aboard the Abramsprise doesn't really matter in the Abramsverse. Since Spock, a commander at the time, was apparently deemed unfit to assume command, the next person in line should have been Sulu who was a leutenant. Yet Jimbo just jumps into the seat and takes command even though he doesn't have the rank. Kinda sounds like mutiny to me. Just sayin'. It makes no sense.

I didn't want to say this, but i'm going to. somewhere in the movie before kirk takes command, JJ Abrams was interviewed and he said that there was a scene where kirk came into contact with OLD SPOCK. somehow old spock got the crew together, brought or assigned them to the enterprise and when the time came up kirk has to take command. now i don't know how this effects young spock (i think he get's mind meld with his older self) therefore spock reliazes that kirk must be in command to complete and kill nero. and another thing Kirk was the only cadet to pass the Kobiashi Myru and i know that played into kirk taking command as well. point here is Kirk is the right person to command enterprise during this mission, why?, because the man has NEVER failed a mission.

[MissionTrek08]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

Also, concerning the dossiers, James Kirk is listed as a student. And Chekov as an ensign. How is this possible? How does Kirk jump into the Captain's chair when he doesn't even outrank an ensign? It would seem that the chain of command aboard the Abramsprise doesn't really matter in the Abramsverse. Since Spock, a commander at the time, was apparently deemed unfit to assume command, the next person in line should have been Sulu who was a leutenant. Yet Jimbo just jumps into the seat and takes command even though he doesn't have the rank. Kinda sounds like mutiny to me. Just sayin'. It makes no sense.

From the events hinted at in the trailers and clips, there is a vacuum in command for some reason on the ship. Note how the dossiers are giving Chekov et al very specific specialties in their training -- maybe Kirk has the most command training of the bunch, even if he doesn't outrank others.

Given Chekov's age, I wouldn't necessarily say he's next in line to be captain simply because he's an ensign.

Also, I think there's specific info we're not getting about Kirk's status at the academy in an attempt to preserve a plot point. So it's hard to compare their dossiers one-to-one with final accuracy at this point.

Seems more likely to me the filmmakers know why and how Kirk takes the chair, and we don't have all the facts they do. Confusion (temporarily) ensues, and on purpose.

[I-Am-Zim]

Originally Posted by MissionTrek08

Given Chekov's age, I wouldn't necessarily say he's next in line to be captain simply because he's an ensign.

I actually said Sulu should be next since he's a liutenant. Chekov is only an ensign. So he would not be next. If there is a lt. commander somewhere, that person should actually be the next in line since Commander Spock isn't able to assume command. But you're right. There is probably a lot of info we don't know. Guess we'll have to see the movie to find out for sure.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

Also, concerning the dossiers, James Kirk is listed as a student. And Chekov as an ensign. How is this possible? How does Kirk jump into the Captain's chair when he doesn't even outrank an ensign? It would seem that the chain of command aboard the Abramsprise doesn't really matter in the Abramsverse. Since Spock, a commander at the time, was apparently deemed unfit to assume command, the next person in line should have been Sulu who was a leutenant. Yet Jimbo just jumps into the seat and takes command even though he doesn't have the rank. Kinda sounds like mutiny to me. Just sayin'. It makes no sense.

Well that would be where seeing the film leads to it making sense because it will explain these mysteries.

Originally Posted by Capt Dunsel

Now, the interesting thing is that when you look at the fine detail of that trailer scene where Kirk first sits in the "Big Chair", the mystery grows deeper... Just as Kirk sits down, Bones says something - and if I am at all good at reading lips it looks like "WHAT?" However, at the same moment, Sulu flashes a solid "Thumbs Up" sign. What the heck is that about ????

Spoiler

Plus the one review which made the point that he may be rather promptly ordered out of it again.

[RedShirtsRuS]

I just realised Porthos would have to be more than 100 years old to fit into this timeline.

So I guess it isn't Jonathan Archer they are talking about.

Porthos is the only dog I've ever seen in Star Trek canon though, so I map all dogs mentioned after that onto him.