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Old 02-14-2008, 02:52 AM
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Default Did voyager ruin the Borg?

Did voyager ruin the Borg?

I was as excited as anyone when I watched the trailer for the new season of Voyager on BBC 2 some years ago showing the ship running from about 5 Borg cubes, but I feel that they over used the Borg, the next generation in its entire run only had 4 Borg stories. Did voyager make the unstoppable enemy of the Federation to easy to beat?
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Old 02-14-2008, 04:05 AM
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Yes. Lol....

I can’t remember where I read it, but one theory is that we created the Borg a few decades before Kirk's days. I think the story goes that the 'Noman' or 'Nomad' [I cant remember the spelling] probe that Kirk encountered was originally sent out to find new life; It encountered an alien probe sent out to sterilize soil samples from other planets. They collided and fused computers and information thus creating a machine that searches, and sterilizes imperfections.

The theory goes on to include that the machine may have created nanoprobes and bio machines to further expand the results of collecting, sterilization, and perfecting.

AND, I don’t think Janeway can go a day without kicking some Borg ***. Lol.
Watching re-runs on TV, there is always a Borg episode [Other than 7/9]. I love them and think they are just slightly misguided by their Queen. She is cranky and I am positive that she must smell like feet, or armpits; Janeway has a strong stomach.

I haven’t seen every Voy episode, but I did like the last one, the Queen was soooo confused and angry. It was as though they were too easy to beat, If they have been acquiring weapons from the species they encounter, I think they could have destroyed Voyager in one hit; I know any vessel of mine could!

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Old 02-14-2008, 05:23 AM
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Voyager ruined the Borg IMO. TNG showed them as the biggest threat to the Federation ever, they were unstoppable. 40 starships at Wolf 359 were swatted like insects, entire civilisations like the El Aurians (Guinan) were wiped out etc. Then came Voyager and the Borg were turned into Cpt Janeways b*****s - her one little ship would have been assimilated/destroyed without the Borg breaking a sweat (if they can sweat)...
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:07 AM
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I feel Voyager DID overuse the Borg, but didn't "ruin" them per se
We just learned more about them
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:30 AM
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Voyager was the Borg's ruin, but they did not ruin the Borg. If we ever return to TNG/ DS9/Voyager time, I'd like to see them again.

I do believe that their overuse in Voyager made them lose their impact.
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:58 AM
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The Borg were over used a bit.

However, ST:FC did give us a hint that we would see the Borg on Voyager. Dr. Crusher said "During this time the Borg are still in the Delta Quadrant".
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:38 AM
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I agree with you Bruce, it definitly made the Borg loose its intimidation factor. If the Borg were so powerful, why did voyager escape so many times? (Luck, chance and good fortune should only be able to get you so far.)
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Old 02-14-2008, 09:37 AM
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i think enterprise ruined the borg.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:24 PM
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I wouldn't say that Voyager ruined the Borg but I think the series certainly took away some of the excitement and mystery of them. I think the producers used the Borg as a lifeline for the Voyager series to boost ratings, due to the Borg's success in Next Gen and First Contact.
What I still don't understand is how the borg queen was featured in Voyager. I thought she was destroyed in First Contact? And didn't Janeway kill her off again and then she reappeared in Endgame?!
Don't get me started on Enterprise using the Borg! The Borg costumes were obviously taking up space in the costume department and were far too expensive to make to just feature in a single Trek show. The Producers: "Lets try and come up with a story that's rediculously far-fetched just so the costumes get a bit more screen time and can earn their money." It gets to the point where the writers begin to undermine the established history of the franchise just to satisfy the pockets of Paramount.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:46 PM
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Short answer, yes!

They should have come up with something else to bypass them. Problem was though their territory was so vast Voyager would have had to go through it at somepoint, so whats the answer? Invent a new species that can't be assimilated and destory borg ships!

That thing more than anything made the borg no more than ordinary. Once that trend got set, I guess the writers later on exploited it since they were no longer deemed unbeatable.
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