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Originally Posted by kevin

That makes me wonder - have we ever seen ships fighting at Warp? They usually leave Warp upon starting a fight.

Shinzon fired on the Enterprise while at warp. As long as you merge the warp bubbles of two ships you can do whatever you want within the bigger warp bubble I think.

[sraviik]

the panorama doesn't look white at all.... why where all you guys complaining about the bridge looking white?

[That Metal Beastie]

It looked pretty white in the early pics we got.

[I-Am-Zim]

Originally Posted by jla1987

Absolutely fantastic NCC! That should end this pointless debate right now!

The pointless debate will never end! Bwa hahahahaha!

But seriously. I just don't think it fits. Even with the time travel element added in. It's just too different. I was of course expecting something different from the original bridge. Nobody in their right mind would expect to see the 1966 bridge set complete with it's random blinky lights and gumdrop buttons in a big budget motion picture in 2009. But it should have at least looked a little bit like the original bridge, since that's what it's supposed to be. Dontcha think? But you're right, the debate is pointless. I simply will not change my position and neither will anyone else, apparently. Since I have absolutely no choice but to live with the travesty which is the iBridge, that's what I'll do.

And as somebody said a page or so ago, I can indeed watch Phase II. I actually enjoy watching Phase II. That's my Star Trek. Original ship, original bridge, pretty good stories, crappy acting. It's got it all!!!

[I-Am-Zim]

Originally Posted by sraviik

the panorama doesn't look white at all.... why where all you guys complaining about the bridge looking white?

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There.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

The pointless debate will never end! Bwa hahahahaha!

But seriously. I just don't think it fits. Even with the time travel element added in. It's just too different. I was of course expecting something different from the original bridge. Nobody in their right mind would expect to see the 1966 bridge set complete with it's random blinky lights and gumdrop buttons in a big budget motion picture in 2009. But it should have at least looked a little bit like the original bridge, since that's what it's supposed to be. Dontcha think? But you're right, the debate is pointless. I simply will not change my position and neither will anyone else, apparently. Since I have absolutely no choice but to live with the travesty which is the iBridge, that's what I'll do.

And as somebody said a page or so ago, I can indeed watch Phase II. I actually enjoy watching Phase II. That's my Star Trek. Original ship, original bridge, pretty good stories, crappy acting. It's got it all!!!

Because it's not supposed to be the same original bridge, because it's not the same original ship. The timeline gets altered before she's even built.

[I-Am-Zim]

Originally Posted by kevin

Because it's not supposed to be the same original bridge, because it's not the same original ship. The timeline gets altered before she's even built.

I am well aware of that. But like I said earlier. I want to see a damn-spankin' good explanation for the drastically altered look. Because I, speaking from my personal opinion, don't think that the actions of one time-traveling Romulan can cause that degree of re-engineering. There must be a more detailed explanation for how 23rd century technology has surpassed TNG's technology from the 24th century. Especially considering that the whole story starts out in the existing unaltered TNG timeframe.

[kevin]

That's because no-one has seen the film yet. The film, in which, the writers have said before, there is an explanation for the changes.

The fact that it starts in the existing 24th Century is irrelevant to the alternate created in the moment that Nero and Spock get pulled back into the past. The divergence starts there.

[Triblfied]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

I am well aware of that. But like I said earlier. I want to see a damn-spankin' good explanation for the drastically altered look. Because I, speaking from my personal opinion, don't think that the actions of one time-traveling Romulan can cause that degree of re-engineering. There must be a more detailed explanation for how 23rd century technology has surpassed TNG's technology from the 24th century. Especially considering that the whole story starts out in the existing unaltered TNG timeframe.

Ok, let me help you with that (not too difficult to understand really, imo). Have you ever heard the saying about if you squish a bug in the past, people will die in the future (something like that...)? If Guy A squishes Ant A, then Ant A can't tell the colony where food is. So, instead, Ant B goes another direction. Guy B and Child A are walking down the sidewalk. Child A sees Ant B and and stoops down to watch. Guy B tells his child to hurry up and waits as Child A hurries to catch up. (Guy B is now 30 sec. behind "normal" schedule.) After Guy B drops his child off at school, he gets to work and, since Guy B is now 30 sec late, misses the first elevator to his floor. Guy B then jumps onto the other elevator, which stops at multiple floors before going to Guy B's destination. (Now Guy B is a whole 3 min "late") Guy B is driving home when he is stopped by a red light that was never supposed to stop him. (After a full day, Guy B is now a full half hour "late".) Guy B receives a call from his wife asking to pick up Child A from school. Guy B is already late, so he speeds to get to school. Guy B is then involved in an accident that claims his life. Guy B was never supposed to die....you do the math.

Anywho, for those of you who didn't bother to read the above text, the absolute SMALLEST change WILL have HUGE consequences later one. (Kind of like angles and degrees. If an angle is just .5 degrees off, most can't tell the difference....at first. But see the difference when that angle is supposed to meet another that was supposed to be the same. The two will never meet and will keep getting furthur and furthur apart.) As for the difference technology wise in the movie, if the U.S. Navy encountered an unexplained and apparently impervious battleship while on the open seas, there would be serious repurcutions. Is said impervious battle ship destroyed a Navy ship and then disappeared, you can bet there would be substantial upgrades, enhancements, and improvements to the U.S. to try and prepare for the threat again.

Ok, I think I'm done now....

[lordisaiah]

Ironically enough, this still doesn't fit with Orci and Kurtzman's view of quantum mechanics, which flat out said, one of those myriad 1701-D's in the episode where Worf is bouncing in between quantum realities, comes from this Trek universe...

I'm betting the one where the Borg destroyed everything and Riker is desperate and that ship gets destroyed...