[kevin]

Originally Posted by sraviik

i think i read somewhere that was actually because in medieval times the left hand was used for "wiping" if you get my emphasis

Indeed, and why in India one should always shake hands with the correct hand - can't remember which.

Anyway the last post t'was but a jest!

[DammitJim]

FanWriter45 and all others who read this thread.
first off, I am not 'anti-gay' nor homophobic. in fact, I have supported FanWriter45's view.

But seeing as God and 'church' have been brought up, I just like to point out that the Bible does make several references to homosexuality being a sin.

My point is that "churches" base their beliefs and rules on the Bible, so churches really have no choice in the matter. the Bible can't be adjusted to suit "modern thinking".

Of course, the Bible also teaches love and tolerence, but that is often forgotten. I'll go with this view myself as long as no innocent is being harmed. because God will judge us. He and no other.

but none of this changes the fact that Star Trek producers have been cowards.

[kevin]

The Bible has been 'adjusted' before to suit the middle centuries. It doesn't contain every book ever written, nor does it take account of books which have more than one version.

Which is not to insult those who use it - just pointing out it has happened.

[DammitJim]

Originally Posted by kevin

The Bible has been 'adjusted' before to suit the middle centuries. It doesn't contain every book ever written, nor does it take account of books which have more than one version.

Which is not to insult those who use it - just pointing out it has happened.

how has it been adjusted?

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Odradek

only because he obviously wasn't played as an straight guy by the actor.

Mannerisms have little to do with sexual orientation or sexual preferences in general. Do you seriously tell whether someone is gay, straight or bi or whether someone likes to play soft or rough or whatever else simply by observing him or her?

[jerhanner]

Originally Posted by DammitJim

how has it been adjusted?

Assuming that you don't speak Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek or Latin or Early English, it's adjusted every time it's translated. Why do you think they call it the King James Bible? Cause it was edited to fit what King James wanted it to reflect.
Nothing lasts for 2000 years and countless re-edits without being changed. Go read up on the Diet of Worms and you'll see some real "adjusting" !!!

PS Left handed people are evil!

[horatio]

Originally Posted by DammitJim

FanWriter45 and all others who read this thread.
first off, I am not 'anti-gay' nor homophobic. in fact, I have supported FanWriter45's view.

But seeing as God and 'church' have been brought up, I just like to point out that the Bible does make several references to homosexuality being a sin.

My point is that "churches" base their beliefs and rules on the Bible, so churches really have no choice in the matter. the Bible can't be adjusted to suit "modern thinking".

Of course, the Bible also teaches love and tolerence, but that is often forgotten. I'll go with this view myself as long as no innocent is being harmed. because God will judge us. He and no other.

but none of this changes the fact that Star Trek producers have been cowards.

I am no Christian but grew up in Christian faith and as my father is a religious teacher, I claim to know a little bit about the subject.
There might be lines in the Old Testament about homosexuality but Jesus's message was pretty clear: complicated and over-detailed rules can easily be ignored when they make no sense. Go out and eat something at Sabbath when you are hungry. The Ten Commandments can easily be summarized to: love God and love your fellow humans.
(I hope that I did not insult any Jew by this, it's just how I see Jesus's message in a nutshell)
So whenever a Christian church creates dogma and detailed rules about right or wrong, they oppose Jesus's idea of keep it sweet and simple.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by DammitJim

how has it been adjusted?

The Christian Bible has it's own version of what books are canon and which are apocryphal. Counting of books and ordering of books varies, as does interpretations of the source texts. Scholars still debate parts of interpretation.

The King James Bible from 1611 was translated under strict rule laid down by the King to conform to the understanding that suited his time in power. Plus scholars also believe that some of the books in the Bible currently had vastly different alternate versions, and may in some cases even be attributed to the wrong author.

In and of itself, it doesn't remove how useful it is to some people's lives, but as a collected work in one respect, it can be viewed differently depending on how far back you go and what translations etc factor in.

[DammitJim]

Originally Posted by jerhanner

Assuming that you don't speak Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek or Latin or Early English, it's adjusted every time it's translated. Why do you think they call it the King James Bible? Cause it was edited to fit what King James wanted it to reflect.
Nothing lasts for 2000 years and countless re-edits without being changed. Go read up on the Diet of Worms and you'll see some real "adjusting" !!!

PS Left handed people are evil!

so what are you saying about Christian beliefs then?

[Odradek]

Originally Posted by jerhanner

Assuming that you don't speak Aramaic or Hebrew Assuming that you don't speak Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek or Latin or Early English

I don't have to, my whole language is mainly based on the bible translation.
I never read the King James version sadly