[starbase63]

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

yes, but

Yes, and then he is downloaded into B4, that is the Data in the countdown comics. That's my point.

This is known...the info in B4 was downloaded into B4 prior to Data going to the Scimitar.

[starbase63]

Originally Posted by Livingston

But regardless, Data's head would still end up in San Francisco since that happened in the nineteenth century wouldn't it? Thing is, would that head cease to exist if Data was not created in the Abrams' timeline? Like Marty's family disappearing from the photo in Back to the Future. I wouldn't think so since the head belonged to the Data created in the 'real' timeline and it was placed in San Francisco centuries before the divergence. It'd continue to exist just as easily as the 'real' Spock would continue to exist.

If old Spock kills Quinto Spock, does that mean Old Spock will vanish? If Data is never created, does that mean his head will vanish in San Francisco. "I left my head, in San Francisco..." Sorry couldn't resist. Lame I know.

Spock is an interesting part of it too, since Spock is born prior to the divergence, he is technically the same person in both the real and the new timelines...but I'm reasonably sure if young Spock were to die in the Abramsverse, it should not affect Spock in the "real" timeline...

[omegaman]

Originally Posted by RedShirtWalking

We don't know that Data won't be created.

True. But will he be good or bad?

[omegaman]

Originally Posted by starbase63

Spock is an interesting part of it too, since Spock is born prior to the divergence, he is technically the same person in both the real and the new timelines...but I'm reasonably sure if young Spock were to die in the Abramsverse, it should not affect Spock in the "real" timeline...

Correct.

[starbase63]

Originally Posted by omegaman

When the new timeline is created, recorded history is changed all the way back to the beginning of time. Otherwise the people of the new timeline would know that recorded history was changed at some point and begin their own investigation as to why it happened.

Thing is, the shared history of both timelines should by rights be the exact same, since the new timeline splits off from the "real" one we already know. "New" history begins in the new timeline at the moment of divergence, and becomes "now." There's really no way they'd know anything changed...unless someone from another timeline (like Old Spock) makes it known.

[RedShirtWalking]

Originally Posted by omegaman

True. But will he be good or bad?

I don't think there's any reason to think he'd be anything but Data--the Data we know and love. There's no evidence (yet) that Nero's incursion into the TOS timeline changes this event and we don't know what timeline changes are reversed (if any).

[omegaman]

I don't think there would any reason to think he is 100% like the Data from the real timeline. He could be pure evil if the writers want him to be and one of Picard's most formidable adversaries in this timeline.

[starbase63]

I guess it all depends on if Pike dies or not will dictate how different the future of the new timeline is right out of the box...

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Originally Posted by starbase63

This is known...the info in B4 was downloaded into B4 prior to Data going to the Scimitar.

Yes, and that means now Data has a younger head as B4's head is much newer than Data's head that was sitting in that cave for centuries, which was my whole point the whole time.

[starbase63]

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

Yes, and that means now Data has a younger head, which was my whole point the whole time. I don't get what you are arguing here.

I didn't get you meant B4's head...when you were saying "Data's head" I thought you meant the one I've been talking about in the thread...