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Old 10-29-2010, 11:11 AM
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That's just the the bed Holloywood has made for it's self. We've been dealing with increasingly more bang less content since the 90's. It was the CGI effect that started it.
I think it's also a side effect of everyone feeling the need to 'speed up' these days and TV shows (which sometimes need time to breathe) just don't get the chance to do that.

CGI is merely a tool like any to make things possible that TV shows couldn't do before - and that's also a good thing, especially with genre TV series - but it's not as if TV shows themselves have necessarily gotten any better or worse.

People want the TV show to tell them quickly what's happening in it and why. Audiences don't give shows time to grow. They want it immediately. And networks won't hold on to a show that isn't an instant ratings hit (on cable, this latter option still happens but I believe cable and pay channels like HBO don't 'need' the kind of ratings general network shows need to be considered 'hits') anymore, whereas in the past shows could often be given two entire seasons or more to build an audience.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:14 AM
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It's nothing new, look at the succesful shows of any decade. For instance the 80's were the hayday for shows like The A Team, The Dukes of Hazzard, Knight Rider, Miami Vice, I could go on and on. Now, these shows were fun, but anything but deep. CGI had nothing to do with it.
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Old 10-29-2010, 12:40 PM
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I think it's also a side effect of everyone feeling the need to 'speed up' these days and TV shows (which sometimes need time to breathe) just don't get the chance to do that.

CGI is merely a tool like any to make things possible that TV shows couldn't do before - and that's also a good thing, especially with genre TV series - but it's not as if TV shows themselves have necessarily gotten any better or worse.

People want the TV show to tell them quickly what's happening in it and why. Audiences don't give shows time to grow. They want it immediately. And networks won't hold on to a show that isn't an instant ratings hit (on cable, this latter option still happens but I believe cable and pay channels like HBO don't 'need' the kind of ratings general network shows need to be considered 'hits') anymore, whereas in the past shows could often be given two entire seasons or more to build an audience.
I think cartoons are a good way to judge hollywood.
They are crappy now. Even Pixar put out crappy.
Back in the day...Disney would hit on all cylinders every single feature.


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It's nothing new, look at the succesful shows of any decade. For instance the 80's were the hayday for shows like The A Team, The Dukes of Hazzard, Knight Rider, Miami Vice, I could go on and on. Now, these shows were fun, but anything but deep. CGI had nothing to do with it.
AH...but there is a difference!
Those old shows still had great story telling.
And let me tell you, you had to have great story telling even if it wasn't a deep story. The stories were always solid and dramatic...>EVEN A Team, Knight Rider, and Airwolf.

Look at what they did with the remakes of the favorite show...they are a complete miss. Why do you think that's so?
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Old 10-29-2010, 12:48 PM
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I would say that they were fun, but I don't know about "great story telling". I'm not trashing them either, I loved The Dukes of Hazzard and The A-Team growing up. I still like them.
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As far as why those attempts are misses, it's hard to recreate the original. Usually comes across as an impostor, just as there are some fans that feel that way about the new Trek.
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As far as why those attempts are misses, it's hard to recreate the original. Usually comes across as an impostor, just as there are some fans that feel that way about the new Trek.

Most of them were Great...
Even more were solid.

I don't think it's a matter of "imposters" I think it's quality.
The world has changed as well. We appreciate quality less that we did before. We've maded it more subjectional. Quality now is more flash and bang.
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Old 10-29-2010, 01:37 PM
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I would say that they were fun, but I don't know about "great story telling". I'm not trashing them either, I loved The Dukes of Hazzard and The A-Team growing up. I still like them.
I'm pretty sure that each of those shows also spent their entire runs with each episode being the same basic story as the one the week before as well.

No wonder they were hits! Comfort in familiarity!
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That too.
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I'm pretty sure that each of those shows also spent their entire runs with each episode being the same basic story as the one the week before as well.

No wonder they were hits! Comfort in familiarity!
Very true!
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